From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SCca8-00044Q-SN for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:01:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1ED6EE09B1; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge2.cs.stonybrook.edu (edge2.cs.stonybrook.edu [130.245.9.211]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BE5E0913 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from HUBCAS1.cs.stonybrook.edu (130.245.9.206) by edge2.cs.stonybrook.edu (130.245.9.211) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:59:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (72.89.250.133) by hubcas1.cs.stonybrook.edu (130.245.9.212) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:59:32 -0400 Message-ID: <4F721BBA.9040904@cs.stonybrook.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:57:46 -0400 From: Richard Yao User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120301 Thunderbird/10.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook References: <20337.28987.736877.961717@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20120327154239.GA17394@gentoo.org> <1332870540.18466.9.camel@belkin4> <20120327180158.GA1468@siphos.be> <1332873243.11827.15.camel@rook> In-Reply-To: <1332873243.11827.15.camel@rook> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig301FDB0810B846BCD9ADCCE7" X-Originating-IP: [72.89.250.133] X-Archives-Salt: 7403c543-c6f2-4a00-9562-70511677f6b1 X-Archives-Hash: 3d1901ca5df65386dcc3242fd24d8bc1 --------------enig301FDB0810B846BCD9ADCCE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/27/12 14:34, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > The partitioning scheme is something that the user needs to decide on > *before* getting Gentoo up and running. After the user had finished > installing the operating system, it's too late to inform him about the > advantages of a separate /usr/portage. >=20 > IMHO, chapter 4 of the handbook needs the following changes: >=20 > 1. ext4, not ext3, needs to be recommended as the default filesystem. W= e > have kernel 3.2 marked stable, there is no need to keep talking about > ext4 as if it's something experimental. >=20 > 2. The handbook should mention that a separate small /usr/portage > partition can noticeably improve performance for users with a rotationa= l > hard drive, and that it's not needed for solid-state drives. It should > also mention that using Gentoo with a separate /usr/portage partition > will require some additional configuration (such as changing DISTDIR an= d > PKGDIR to avoid running out of space). >=20 > -Alexandre. >=20 >=20 Could we amend this to also include the benefits of ZFS and why you would want to use XFS or reiserfs instead of ext{2,3,4} as your filesystem in situations where ZFS is not yet appropriate (e.g. using it on Gentoo stable)? We could also include documentation on Reiser4 while we are at it. With that said, I don't think that this is appropriate for the handbook. It is meant to get users started, not to set things in stone. The partitioning can always be redone later via a stage4 backup. On the note, I would like to suggest that we make a separate disk partitioning and filesystem handbook, which would seem to be a more appropriate location for this information. 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