From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SCbfo-0003dP-A5 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:03:17 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8353E0566; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B01EE05F9 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so253500bkw.40 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:02:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=T1phYOkeO068CyNiX+hHkFNqzidf2b5rbJ2/iZg7XsY=; b=DvrvZA2XBDzHm80icGvJnFhmqaxCQdqj12gN8y5Z59uysqmpXnLAiULAaaf13AJcoV Yt19yTiRQShHzfYPXHUX13cbvfHS7yl1Bixv8afR2M8S4EUf0exMJtIAuXj04xdlxqot 8Hr78pgknh1l5wTIt4k+mOZytPEB+lvrWdtF+YOYjiRazSLPcTSlOYdwQPbzLQWwW/YP jF+IJQk6EyNbbkhSKppn73lMY0sRvUmmfwoB/0/LusnNzaxnbPoZNM6LiQUuVUA+LuMK uHcEPjPXjWuQT+BKHA7kxjewnmy73IHSr1/ZWZnBfCtVjVCHPvkM5jzgQuGg5H6u7c28 j+ZQ== Received: by 10.204.132.72 with SMTP id a8mr10674547bkt.42.1332874945421; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.4.18] (122.81.186.89.dsl.static.ip.kpnqwest.it. [89.186.81.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm1315322bkw.16.2012.03.27.12.02.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F720EBE.9040704@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:02:22 +0200 From: "vivo75@gmail.com" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120321 Thunderbird/11.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org CC: Ian Stakenvicius Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook References: <20337.28987.736877.961717@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20120327154239.GA17394@gentoo.org> <1332870540.18466.9.camel@belkin4> <20120327180158.GA1468@siphos.be> <1332873243.11827.15.camel@rook> <4F720CAE.7070306@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4F720CAE.7070306@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: b5f8e090-94e5-4692-ac18-872f2d514048 X-Archives-Hash: 543b24e2e587785dc3e8eef9281f691f Il 27/03/2012 20:53, Ian Stakenvicius ha scritto: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 27/03/12 02:47 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev >> >>> The partitioning scheme is something that the user needs to >>> decide on *before* getting Gentoo up and running. After the user >>> had finished installing the operating system, it's too late to >>> inform him about the advantages of a separate /usr/portage. >> Yes and no (if you have free space, you could easily move >> /usr/portage - some other changes are harder). >> >> However, you could extend this line of argument to raid, lvm, and >> even stuff like the use of systemd or an alternative package >> manager. All of those things are much easier to implement if you >> just start out with them. >> >> I'm all for creating a wiki to talk about some alternative >> options. Perhaps even link to it at the start of the handbook in >> the intro (if you're not in a rush and want to read about more >> advanced configurations, check out ...). >> >> However, I tend to agree that the handbook should be a >> nearly-foolproof no-frills Gentoo installation. >> > > You know, we have "Code Listing 2.1: Filesystem Example" in Section 4, > we could always adjust that to have a /usr/portage partition in it > (take a bit of space away from /home, or something) > > It doesn't recommend/require anything, but when users see it they'll > think about it. Boh ... IMHO /usr/portage should be a squashfs filesystem, rsynced from some kind server out there, auto(un)mounted, so it releases resources after use. No needs for any additional partition (which sound kinda lame for a package manager) However the devs are right here, handbook should be stripped down, not bloated with details that could be fulfilled later Rgds, Francesco