From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S8BFj-0004aA-4H for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:02:04 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6ECE0E0C2D; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF4CE0C16 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id loVK1i0021swQuc51q1RZR; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:01:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([76.106.69.86]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lq1R1i00i1rgsis3bq1RXk; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:01:25 +0000 Message-ID: <4F61F624.3020908@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:01:08 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! References: <4F60D585.4050206@gentoo.org> <4F60E9C1.7050600@gentoo.org> <20120314210456.GB11179@kroah.com> <20120314225117.GB12279@kroah.com> <20120314234433.GB29474@kroah.com> In-Reply-To: <20120314234433.GB29474@kroah.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9359270B638226E2A4B3F590" X-Archives-Salt: 0b0a83fc-7dce-4a01-854d-6adc3ff7f04f X-Archives-Hash: 0a29c114623723c60a0537c55cb2eaf7 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9359270B638226E2A4B3F590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/14/2012 19:44, Greg KH wrote: >=20 > Oh, and somehow "consensus" will work? No, sorry, it will not. If compelling arguments were used, yes, you can sometimes trigger people = to change their minds and arrive at a consensus. But outright dismissing th= em as if that will make them disappear is what won't work. > So it's not a "we know best", it's a "it will not properly work > otherwise." Udev is the only package I have installed in my VM setup that fails at bo= ot with a separate /usr and no initramfs. And that isn't even a fatal failu= re, but it is a failure none the less, at least by virtue of OpenRC flagging = the fact that udev returned an error code. Everything else works fine. But it's not udev that is broke, is it? It's my setup, right? I've been= wrong for the last 10 years? Why was this ever referenced then in the Security Handbook? See Code Listing 1.1: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/security/security-handbook.xml?part=3D1&chap= =3D4 > It is strange to watch people somehow think that if they complain > enough, or feel strongly enough, something is going to change here to > make this basic fact go away. It's human nature to complain or otherwise voice dissent, especially when= someone or something comes along and declares that what used to JustWork(= TM) now NoLongerWorks(TM). Does that mean my dissent matters? Probably not. But that's not going t= o stop me from trying. --=20 Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. A= nd our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-bet= ween." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic --------------enig9359270B638226E2A4B3F590 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPYfYkAAoJENsjoH7SXZXj6HkQALCRSXfIS3t9mWQzeDQ9knSk 21vX0+9g0JWYcYR1lMxgqjRDBday97nUS/LFCoo/zrSJzOQqaF1MmYGz63cfEQRt g+SOCf9VUE/lsbUCa4o68GJHnONurKAxn/9aI30lBclFgoi4gCqa4qXlNzfXjKPc YgIIKZhVgb3GAMKzq+xdq+UWTFnH04JhRwHK9BmWngDZa7YppawpR0THsoTOqQDv Tj7DWNOIbD8B+21HRdCiXzTHcUeQLfBP57GFNDR9ddRFozCtk423ewC0eHpmS2fi 3MjX1wkKEsX8fBzM24J5WlJsyKfDprNvNZ8DoIFxNKosVZw4K5QydEwUElHdavDW WbK2EExayN8U9K+124jBbSuqx/ZJdY0pHePrYqxk01AYljAA4syZjiE7olNjPUkf g06bQXzc74BtKTR5PKg8FkPgunocYnUpS59Y5AWIeB96xDuPqIc1xZFou/bSXUwt +4/6DFxOII6kHFLNSinWwgQ2D3gZs0tJbNVB2AKPxMgsZkCUgtQwFgHfPWt9WXdc JhCgFMByWef+TjazKMJi+IB9iqwqapEKM/exLDCYFXdOGsbZ/BUZXLXN129rIl7i Of9BHc6hb+WBanguu403/YCY4YKHvCr4Aq4gDrbbxE8XR8RTwUWb9XRA2n77NF9n mqUU/9rPiqwM28HLZhMX =dszK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9359270B638226E2A4B3F590--