From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S8ArU-0000RX-RX for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:37:02 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 36CA8E0BFB; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6D7E0BED for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lpMA1i0021vN32cA6pcQXE; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:36:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([76.106.69.86]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lpcN1i00B1rgsis8ipcPPA; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:36:24 +0000 Message-ID: <4F61F046.7030306@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:36:06 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! References: <20120311173355.GB6599@linux1> <4F5EA152.80604@gentoo.org> <4F5FE34A.4030609@gentoo.org> <4F6091CE.1050009@gentoo.org> <20120314144115.GA30606@kroah.com> <20120314145144.GC3200@ca.inter.net> <20120314150431.GA2033@kroah.com> <20120314150827.53dc8336@googlemail.com> <20120314152209.GA2157@kroah.com> <4F60D585.4050206@gentoo.org> <4F60E9C1.7050600@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4F60E9C1.7050600@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBBA7278E96F7D5E79AF9E6B0" X-Archives-Salt: 63150bfa-df2d-4d5b-a936-442a4bbfc04d X-Archives-Hash: ba4d4e0d4369316b92aef7a24932711b This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBBA7278E96F7D5E79AF9E6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/14/2012 14:56, Zac Medico wrote: > On 03/14/2012 11:36 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 19:58, Matthew Summers >> wrote: >>> Why is an in-kernel initramfs so bad anyway? I am baffled. Its quite >>> nice to have a minimal recovery env in case mounting fails, etc, etc,= >>> etc. >> >> There is nothing bad about initramfs. I think that you are misreading >> the arguments above. >=20 > Whatever the arguments may be, the whole discussion boils down to the > fact that the only people who seem to have a "problem" are those that > have a separate /usr partition and simultaneously refuse to use an > initramfs. I refuse to use an initramfs as this point in time because I haven't had = to use one in the past 10 years to get my Gentoo installs to boot. Right no= w, all three active Gentoo installs that I have (x86_64, Vbox, MIPS) boot *fine* with a separate /usr and no initramfs. That, in my opinion, is no= t "broke", despite statements made to the contrary. It only became "broke" when individuals not involved with Gentoo declared= it to be "broke", and then back it up with use-case scenarios that are reall= y only applicable to their distribution of choice. I'm not saying that I'll continue to not use an initramfs, but I would li= ke for some Gentoo-specific reasoning to be offered as to why we have to fol= low along with this change. Constantly referring to Fedora or Freedesktop websites for their reasoning doesn't matter to me. I don't use Fedora no= r do I use X11 (at least the server. I tunnel 2-5 X11 apps over SSH, howev= er). --=20 Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. A= nd our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-bet= ween." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic --------------enigBBA7278E96F7D5E79AF9E6B0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPYfBGAAoJENsjoH7SXZXjSH8QAJESrJKcw+EIFOf7qbo7tCRd P7tSWadWUypMA7dvbZf8c/MnoBV54KVszqX904xmDDsvEtyryiWP8GtXRBSxxBdQ GF7n79h6GzQdvCp/hTOYXK6Nb6+6CrU/0CFvHqRQa9UkTd86VQ57QHy0zX8eiAlH E08pBGBp9/FCMX9aDJ+rK61Q591XlYm9+PCY1WczHssN+747wHEwbbiwOhVyi4Xu 2ZDAsMTiAEojDK2MjlqugcfidZR7QRmoIiRT5fyWhfVao9nP7NjySTxj2N2a1Z9B 1R7fY83idf4FM0GHjM4lV0qlfznZYf1jyV/QpdyEJNVG99ISvRY7d1eLGzYr1w+E avn383KYNnQpuREujLE3iyZe/oywERwZ9k+JnavarvCLdTSLHRAKMTuLRF7vkEDY HsvBnaYyl17Bwb5A8J7psehrKQ/cSArgj097S9OrxtJnU7sfm6A5JraRuRYoX0bG /lu3g0yKKMXaPw1YotLuTgLcCfzMDBXIX75kqUzh17ZkJvb8wlVbRED5bvwn/3su c+OXXXEWIED0upBq7xcZetDO1ZkjNXGXhac16G36nyC9JCWDuQwyKuh/k1GvsRVa hLwERcdpibalOlGRmImsZ9KI+yg0Li7+02/3/mEcqjtMI57mHLezJSWYpOk+B+vU wc5g/gO7ScFy3UzGpyC5 =i1zL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBBA7278E96F7D5E79AF9E6B0--