From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S89uE-0008Jt-Il for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:35:46 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1ED32E0BE7; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD305E0B0C for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id loV71i0081GhbT859ob731; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:35:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([76.106.69.86]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lob71i0041rgsis3Tob7aC; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:35:07 +0000 Message-ID: <4F61E1EA.3040705@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:34:50 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! References: <20120314150827.53dc8336@googlemail.com> <20120314152209.GA2157@kroah.com> <4F60D585.4050206@gentoo.org> <4F60E9C1.7050600@gentoo.org> <20120314210456.GB11179@kroah.com> <4F611E09.1040602@cs.stonybrook.edu> <20120314224916.GA12279@kroah.com> <4F61294B.9040101@cs.stonybrook.edu> In-Reply-To: <4F61294B.9040101@cs.stonybrook.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBCD3195B479BC77C9CB37E9C" X-Archives-Salt: 5ee08475-d8af-4728-9899-4f89b9b631af X-Archives-Hash: 82a5f3586cfbe3a37bfe388fcf9ec60b This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBCD3195B479BC77C9CB37E9C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/14/2012 19:27, Richard Yao wrote: > On 03/14/12 18:49, Greg KH wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 06:39:05PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>> With that said, I have a few questions: >>> >>> 1. Why does no one mention the enterprise use case at all? >> >> It has been pointed out before, why constantly repeat ourselves. >=20 > Simple. No one has documented it. A webpage that makes a few vague > references to "enterprise use" does not count as documentation. >=20 > I happened to figure it out when trying to rationalize why anyone would= > want this, but this is hardly obvious to those that imagine a computer > as a self-sufficient single disk system. You'll also find a lot of enterprise-specific decisions went into IPv6, without necessarily stating them as being enterprise-specific. I.e., the= requirement for Unique Local Addresses, which are IPv6's idea of RFC1918,= required to be "globally-unique". When I quizzed someone about this one = (I think it was on ServerFault somewhere), I was basically told that "IPv6 i= s not for home use". >>> 2. Why not make rootfs a NFS mount with a unionfs at the SAN/NAS devi= ce? >> >> unionfs is still a "work in progress", some systems can't do that yet.= >=20 > That sounds like something that needs to be fixed. I thought UnionFS died? Or was better handled by other "tricks" involvin= g filesystem overlays? >>> 3. Why not let the users choose where these directories go and suppor= t >>> both locations? >> >> Because a plethera of options is a sure way to make sure that half of >> them don't work over the long run. >> >> We aren't Debian here people, we don't support "everything" :) >=20 > Gentoo provides far more options than Debian does, so this seems > somewhat contradictory to me. Agreed. Debian is focused on an entirely different model of building a Linux system, thus they have a narrower dependency chain and you sometime= s have to include packages that you don't necessarily care for because they= 're required by a package that you do want to use. We have USE flags to reso= lve that issue. --=20 Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. A= nd our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-bet= ween." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic --------------enigBCD3195B479BC77C9CB37E9C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPYeHqAAoJENsjoH7SXZXjJo4P+gLzguRbeb7eot6yf3kIxfJh NGqNyp52Suru5S4Q3jBKqCfyKQGkwfulnauOKaQPaRYWrbH34euhugFB5B0Rmeo8 DpsLQQl/WoPk3QmaDpPzfBqI2Wbe0E68mLWvGOtqn5G/xdyq72MHzMHke3hyTNTL vnIMU8mfC9u4OuRWeBnDvaxwK3a/qekxU5WCd9+1rumDhJdiH/iZdG0ov6hliSL+ IXXaHjyTk00YBRvE/Q5LUYTjIRLe9q4nZo1YaTbXXbqcjN+W+uewk4jSMlxh4DEi sF489ppBkaVj448ne2UcqbnLhEyfCTyKpqXv14Jz692E9PwLxqvZBk/angpqjxAt +JpM7xAQl2I+TvrtCj6Lsy7m3ZCRk2jiW7xwYk4LzfuCy8nOx0MFmhTGlqrZRL4y LkiuMueThpTKK90ZW6gCzk3qzcrA99dbGcGXC73dVdqigjcSgcd+TtozX728kSFP bgLN7tlvlYzjQj5XnL5FE/GPq6rDev84PcL/hiWyK5AqduFjsoOtdV4vEszM6qNP eCdJBsAKgYp7ISbk9K8ZJBq3++1NvPq+rp2jFlCyPUJZ28yYgw9ANXHTKPNh6K8V PCoWSEiBE3dV5bdkyGa0jsJc9jvrDbtpZ0zq3+mimsXCL0i5WebCOD8XkHzQZFWP fhrjUq3oQU3I1odOi/Zz =HAxz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBCD3195B479BC77C9CB37E9C--