From: Joshua Kinard <kumba@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:34:50 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F61E1EA.3040705@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F61294B.9040101@cs.stonybrook.edu>
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On 03/14/2012 19:27, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 03/14/12 18:49, Greg KH wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 06:39:05PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote:
>>> With that said, I have a few questions:
>>>
>>> 1. Why does no one mention the enterprise use case at all?
>>
>> It has been pointed out before, why constantly repeat ourselves.
>
> Simple. No one has documented it. A webpage that makes a few vague
> references to "enterprise use" does not count as documentation.
>
> I happened to figure it out when trying to rationalize why anyone would
> want this, but this is hardly obvious to those that imagine a computer
> as a self-sufficient single disk system.
You'll also find a lot of enterprise-specific decisions went into IPv6,
without necessarily stating them as being enterprise-specific. I.e., the
requirement for Unique Local Addresses, which are IPv6's idea of RFC1918,
required to be "globally-unique". When I quizzed someone about this one (I
think it was on ServerFault somewhere), I was basically told that "IPv6 is
not for home use".
>>> 2. Why not make rootfs a NFS mount with a unionfs at the SAN/NAS device?
>>
>> unionfs is still a "work in progress", some systems can't do that yet.
>
> That sounds like something that needs to be fixed.
I thought UnionFS died? Or was better handled by other "tricks" involving
filesystem overlays?
>>> 3. Why not let the users choose where these directories go and support
>>> both locations?
>>
>> Because a plethera of options is a sure way to make sure that half of
>> them don't work over the long run.
>>
>> We aren't Debian here people, we don't support "everything" :)
>
> Gentoo provides far more options than Debian does, so this seems
> somewhat contradictory to me.
Agreed. Debian is focused on an entirely different model of building a
Linux system, thus they have a narrower dependency chain and you sometimes
have to include packages that you don't necessarily care for because they're
required by a package that you do want to use. We have USE flags to resolve
that issue.
--
Joshua Kinard
Gentoo/MIPS
kumba@gentoo.org
4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28
"The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And
our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."
--Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic
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2012-03-11 2:27 [gentoo-dev] newsitem: unmasking udev-181 William Hubbs
2012-03-11 2:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2012-03-11 3:28 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-11 3:50 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-11 5:12 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-11 17:33 ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 17:35 ` Samuli Suominen
2012-03-11 18:00 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-13 1:22 ` [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13 1:37 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-13 2:16 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13 2:33 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-13 3:14 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13 3:53 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13 5:17 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-14 0:20 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 0:52 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-13 13:36 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-13 10:31 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-13 11:54 ` James Broadhead
2012-03-14 0:16 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 8:39 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-14 12:40 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 14:41 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 14:51 ` Philip Webb
2012-03-14 15:04 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 15:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 15:22 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 15:59 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 21:00 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 16:28 ` Matthew Summers
2012-03-15 13:22 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 17:11 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 17:29 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 17:58 ` Matthew Summers
2012-03-14 18:04 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 18:36 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 18:56 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 19:14 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-14 19:26 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 19:57 ` David Leverton
2012-03-14 21:04 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 22:14 ` David Leverton
2012-03-14 22:51 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:21 ` David Leverton
2012-03-14 23:44 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:58 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 0:07 ` Greg KH
2012-03-15 0:29 ` David Leverton
2012-03-15 11:20 ` Stelian Ionescu
2012-03-15 12:23 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 14:01 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 23:47 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 0:36 ` David Leverton
2012-03-15 0:45 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 0:49 ` David Leverton
2012-03-15 12:27 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 15:29 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 0:58 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 1:06 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 1:49 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16 23:29 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-16 23:29 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 12:16 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 12:09 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 22:39 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 22:49 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:27 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 23:37 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:51 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 1:07 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 1:37 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 1:44 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16 1:17 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-16 1:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-15 5:18 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-15 8:13 ` Martin Gysel
2012-03-15 12:40 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 20:44 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-17 7:12 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-19 5:21 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 12:34 ` Joshua Kinard [this message]
2012-03-15 20:45 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 21:49 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 20:03 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 20:55 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 21:05 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 4:10 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 12:47 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 13:36 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 19:30 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-15 5:04 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-14 17:59 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 5:24 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-15 12:51 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 20:12 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 11:04 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 12:30 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 13:05 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 14:42 ` Greg KH
2012-03-15 19:04 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 19:17 ` [gentoo-dev] /dev/serial/ (was "Let's redesign the entire filesystem!") Greg KH
2012-03-15 19:41 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 14:41 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Greg KH
2012-03-16 0:47 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-16 2:43 ` Greg KH
2012-03-16 3:01 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16 15:18 ` Greg KH
2012-03-16 17:00 ` Michael Orlitzky
[not found] ` <7c08803524244ff0808d16539b8f9926@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2012-03-16 22:41 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-13 14:41 ` [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-13 23:12 ` James Broadhead
2012-03-14 12:00 ` James Cloos
2012-03-14 17:52 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 18:48 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-14 20:10 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-15 6:33 ` Duncan
2012-03-15 13:07 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13 5:11 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181 Luca Barbato
2012-03-14 0:13 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 8:03 ` Duncan
2012-03-14 12:07 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 18:43 ` Duncan
2012-03-14 21:13 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 13:10 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 21:49 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11 3:44 ` Dale
2012-03-11 5:48 ` Duncan
2012-03-11 11:03 ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 15:33 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-11 21:28 ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 21:43 ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 21:48 ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 23:15 ` William Hubbs
2012-03-12 12:37 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 17:01 ` Matthias Hanft
2012-03-12 19:32 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13 14:34 ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 22:57 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13 8:43 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-13 9:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-14 0:29 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 0:36 ` Stelian Ionescu
2012-03-14 1:04 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 1:14 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-14 13:02 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-13 10:32 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11 6:49 ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-11 21:08 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11 23:03 ` Duncan
2012-03-11 23:14 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-12 9:02 ` Duncan
2012-03-12 14:09 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-12 19:41 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13 2:06 ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-12 18:34 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-03-13 2:04 ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-11 8:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Neil Bothwick
2012-03-11 8:41 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-11 9:36 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-11 10:43 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-11 17:26 ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 18:08 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-11 23:09 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-12 20:50 ` [gentoo-dev] " Robin H. Johnson
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