From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S89my-0007HL-NC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:28:17 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 899C1E0C11; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9D0E0C08 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id loPU1i0021vN32cA4oTZMa; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([76.106.69.86]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id loTY1i00J1rgsis8ioTZKf; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:27:33 +0000 Message-ID: <4F61E024.4070609@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:27:16 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! References: <20120314150827.53dc8336@googlemail.com> <20120314152209.GA2157@kroah.com> <4F60D585.4050206@gentoo.org> <4F60E9C1.7050600@gentoo.org> <20120314210456.GB11179@kroah.com> <20120314225117.GB12279@kroah.com> <4F612E09.1090900@gentoo.org> <4F613B96.9000602@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4F613B96.9000602@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig110919B27C8896894E52BDC7" X-Archives-Salt: 4f4ee5aa-f202-4743-a66a-4fb31fe6117b X-Archives-Hash: 5e1be368abe6a4043e80858aab96293b This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig110919B27C8896894E52BDC7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/14/2012 20:45, Zac Medico wrote: > On 03/14/2012 05:36 PM, David Leverton wrote: >> On 14 March 2012 23:47, Zac Medico wrote: >>> It's more about what we're _not_ doing that what we're doing. >> >> Clearly something must have changed in udev 181 to make >> /usr-without-initramfs not work anymore, and someone must have done >> something to make that change happen, unless udev has aquired the >> ability to evolve by itself. >=20 > You're pointing your finger at udev, but the udev change is just a > symptom of a more general shift away from supporting the "/ is a > self-contained boot disk that is independent of /usr" use case. I think it's better to say that udev is one of the more important compone= nts of your average Linux system that's decided to support a unified root + /= usr filesystem. If we were looking at some non-critical, non-boot service th= at made this decision, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. --=20 Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. A= nd our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-bet= ween." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic --------------enig110919B27C8896894E52BDC7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPYeAkAAoJENsjoH7SXZXjC2UQAKHyPqr+MemhQNKQrG1FDyAR VnWSzawdbq3uiQqsaNDal3iCNkA5mpLd57ATf+4UWJSShtWcoR57CJws9kA2LKKa 6xxDWrRP2QoqHcv6cnbxDCpFk3/tTzwDJ+QnKINsbZHhNoaJ6HfXDwCrz/M6a3bT E9LgnIrW25h+ATOpTrbEr5IuzohnKbghTkt3hlzugk2s/YRP4FEVbtiCfxtRqWd0 LUSUl3AAwluFYHLgESu9i3YgPYa3Z1JZ8LYHIODv93SNfggaCRsrx8XU9+yDiO5e Qw6YrU90yaSYcaxtdOvE+dR0SapW1+jSqf6nfDr3lD5slEDZHF+UWgnw+1qbtlez BIs+tOnF2aiyIunjVkhwTUcNeaQlLIfrnA453sOshYiORXUeyg1sM42NGRCFNZou cgg1GRnor3q6HXPRa8OluLcEoXPymoZHe5kfIzu6/2hrH3F1uAFgoT1pdDOVLbj8 Bk+9hRRKlZTgmxyWMytVeJyQ3ZxI/dX0ML2urriKxtoTpXzWy46MYpR8xfqcCmBg Tr4cpaml4BL9ZEfNgxlxYDR0Xlot/vwN+ktPGXBtbJTSOQL3H+y70q3kNcuA3j+j jn6RVEo8PwGP+JtQPmL/SlwwAWgWJ1nUcgHWFXM3gOXRKi23ldbHE/xXfVqo8Hin NRE1cXOHIliGWLoOCnKl =J3o5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig110919B27C8896894E52BDC7--