From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S7tek-0003uq-Ju for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:14:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32525E08A0; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.viabit.com (mail2.viabit.com [65.246.80.16]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66371E095D for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.1.1.204] (unknown [65.213.236.244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.viabit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E4DC537AD8 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:14:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=orlitzky.com; s=mail2; t=1331752441; bh=6pFQGeFrTHIKvR0NRbSDsJfHexx4dlB4ms+33BsjUCQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YftPKoDX28NC0oQFQy+U0lYwhILxVzxq29ILNWOESLCFKjBcVoFGX4jHMMavvBIVp P5nq4x9+qukozoEzhj4Cl5m0nFxTonIpCoydKbBy11T6Ws8dLsvHuxBgr+A2UTo5ou 9CeqrknslXO5CMtMtaR5qnT7mcsOS2gK4O3f1Mdg= Message-ID: <4F60EDFA.9070302@orlitzky.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:14:02 -0400 From: Michael Orlitzky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20120116 Thunderbird/9.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! References: <20120311173355.GB6599@linux1> <4F5EA152.80604@gentoo.org> <4F5FE34A.4030609@gentoo.org> <4F6091CE.1050009@gentoo.org> <20120314144115.GA30606@kroah.com> <20120314145144.GC3200@ca.inter.net> <20120314150431.GA2033@kroah.com> <20120314150827.53dc8336@googlemail.com> <20120314152209.GA2157@kroah.com> <4F60D585.4050206@gentoo.org> <4F60E9C1.7050600@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4F60E9C1.7050600@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 10c58ea6-39c0-4e7c-98a9-094a78296e9b X-Archives-Hash: 4b06cd78eb7ef411d382b591267b18c8 On 03/14/12 14:56, Zac Medico wrote: > On 03/14/2012 11:36 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 19:58, Matthew Summers >> wrote: >>> Why is an in-kernel initramfs so bad anyway? I am baffled. Its quite >>> nice to have a minimal recovery env in case mounting fails, etc, etc, >>> etc. >> >> There is nothing bad about initramfs. I think that you are misreading >> the arguments above. > > Whatever the arguments may be, the whole discussion boils down to the > fact that the only people who seem to have a "problem" are those that > have a separate /usr partition and simultaneously refuse to use an > initramfs. People just don't like change for the sake of change, and haven't been shown any benefits yet. I don't have a separate /usr anywhere, but if I did, I would have to rebuild and test a good number of custom kernels that would eventually need to wind up on production servers. It would take a least a day's worth of work, not to mention staying late to make the switch overnight. If you can offer me something cool for it, great; but at the moment people are being offered "it will work the same as it did yesterday," which sucks, because it works that way now. Sure, there will be improvements in the future, but it can feel a lot like treading water sometimes.