From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S7nWM-0000ng-45 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:41:38 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ECE9CE08AE; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BB1E08AF for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lQWg1i0041HzFnQ5DQgzjK; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:40:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([76.106.69.86]) by omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lQgy1i00R1rgsis3aQgyb9; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:40:59 +0000 Message-ID: <4F6091CE.1050009@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:40:46 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! References: <20120311022706.GA26296@linux1> <4F5C1BE9.3040609@gentoo.org> <20120311173355.GB6599@linux1> <4F5EA152.80604@gentoo.org> <4F5FE34A.4030609@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4430A357FEF1D4A8A280F51D" X-Archives-Salt: 166042dc-f2b6-433a-8f93-77152306a8bd X-Archives-Hash: 5c4d4d1ba4343e39754061503fb532a1 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4430A357FEF1D4A8A280F51D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/14/2012 04:39, Duncan wrote: >=20 > THAT is why they're moving /bin, /sbin and /lib to /usr rather than the= =20 > other direction. rootfs will be ONLY a mountpoint, with even /etc/ bei= ng=20 > bind-mounted from /usr/etc, and all system data unified on /usr,=20 > including /etc. >=20 > Viewed from that perspective, the direction of the "unification",=20 > everything formerly on rootfs moving to /usr, so rootfs' only function = is=20 > providing the mountpoints for everything else, has a certain logic to=20 > it... =46rom one perspective, this makes sense. It actually is a kinda of holy= grail for administrators, because it's one less filesystem to worry about= backing up. > And they don't care about non-initr* based systems any more than they=20 > care about non-Linux systems or for that matter, non-systemd Linux=20 > systems. That's outside their operational universe. Other people are = > welcome to continue working with "legacy" systems if they want, but Lin= ux- > only, systemd-based, initr*-based systems are the only thing they're=20 > interested in supporting, themselves. You know, I would have no problem with this if it wasn't a decision made = by a single Linux distro with a huge amount of clout in the Linux world. Th= is isn't like Debian forking Firefox into Ice Weasel, an issue that largely remains Debian-specific to this day. This is a change that will fundamentally alter the way every distro does things, and none of us (as = far as I know) were given a choice in the matter. The /usr move is going to happen. I, along with a lot of other people, a= re going to have to "fix" all my installed systems over this. Not because o= f a choice made by all distros, but because one distro thinks that its way is= the RightWay() and the OnlyWay(). That's what I disagree with. We shouldn't be affected by this change. O= nly Fedora users should have to deal with it. But other upstream projects ar= e going to follow in Fedora's lead, and this brings us up to a decision poi= nt: adapt, or become irrelevant. I chose to stick with Gentoo as my distro of choice because I didn't like= the way Red Hat did things years ago. As well as a few other nitpicks I have. It bugs me to no end that, despite running a fairly vanilla setup = on a source-based distro whose original inspiration came from BSD ports, I a= m still affected by a decision made by RH. --=20 Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. A= nd our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-bet= ween." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic --------------enig4430A357FEF1D4A8A280F51D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPYJHOAAoJENsjoH7SXZXjbdgQALIS1IFWXQjNG73+KFpOF5fh ELxL6sKExWlLvAnErjB4ECLZ2HYZXn9E+XRk5iAPJ/vsdYCZJYq903w9Snazw+1+ rUMLELjT5S1T5CDcew4qeuUpaQyh9rJ5j0Q6zdLzFP+gfb76I6VUIXMtwqT3050B vSEGWcgS+SORAC+agzcsy9cNQ8XOJnj+OEyN7juJBPitiP2qHD8oofaUTzCJuqmW 9ch8QRhtyiVPenwTU/N49YHGInLsaAwYaqxjtBPKIIQP6NBIFdh4s6Nv+u0KJTPw rmH7jvC+EAC8ag2PELTOkfPnmcW/oXr2r5By83cBj3vtigVGp6Y2dLYRLlWyL7hP yHLQQRtEKkZqd0Uw6SkCjeiZIvY6Ew/aTetU8A10Db+eWgMdZoCEUS0DZS0BiMda yI6xRSGWXb9t7meUD3Yz6JJxxF8Gm1PuYMMHVKi4LO8ZGeAcO8qB84h59bTpG6sZ zxum73jfj0oMvX9v96O2+GQrGfQaDEXZp6Bvxwu0HbXoWvQtA57DNI0y+6up5Pzn jw6OZqmS3ZBNRoCs4INGzlh0UX9YOk7bdpjqG1ijWhjGjbPk6ocyFiCt9H6W1J9R 5vsqp8X4s4i1tkZUOx1Jw8wteHv8Yjms2n6wJhHBC/Ur6JbGoVFhjUIWDmmabrdI 465lgGN/pN7NHx9FI9Nv =sxNZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4430A357FEF1D4A8A280F51D--