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From: Joshua Kinard <kumba@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:29:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F5FE66B.3030605@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADPrc80ARXHahkCW-QHvLRzhqgW7MpPwDxYcxNFZgQ7OZQa7AA@mail.gmail.com>

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On 03/13/2012 05:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

> 
> And besides, genkernel and dracut are automatized; they *are* the
> simple (and proper, IMHO) solution.


My contention is that I shouldn't need an initramfs loaded into my kernel to
get my system into a minimally-usable state.  I've been running separate
/usr setups for 10+ years, and only now, such a setup breaks, hence my beef
with Fedora's assertion that such a setup is wrong.  And I'm not even doing
anything fancy!  No encryption, no lvm/evms, no software RAID (on x86/x64 --
MIPS systems run mdadm), plain ext3/ext4 filesystems.  I *shouldn't* need to
start including an initramfs in my kernel to work around this.

make menuconfig, make <bzImage|vmlinux[.32]>[, make modules[_install]], then
update the bootloader, is how I've done kernels for the longest time.  This
new approach makes the above command sequence invalid if under a separate /usr.

From a technical perspective, my argument is a moot point and is easily
remedied.  But I'm making it from a more philosophical standpoint because
what once was a working setup, however uncommon, is not any more, and that
to me is broken.  I've essentially lost some amount of "freedom" in my
choice of running a Linux box.

-- 
Joshua Kinard
Gentoo/MIPS
kumba@gentoo.org
4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28

"The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us.  And
our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."

--Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic


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  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-14  0:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-11  2:27 [gentoo-dev] newsitem: unmasking udev-181 William Hubbs
2012-03-11  2:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2012-03-11  3:28   ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-11  3:50     ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-11  5:12       ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-11 17:33     ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 17:35       ` Samuli Suominen
2012-03-11 18:00         ` Michał Górny
2012-03-13  1:22       ` [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13  1:37         ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-13  2:16           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13  2:33         ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-13  3:14           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13  3:53             ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13  5:17               ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-14  0:20                 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14  0:52                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-13 13:36             ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-13 10:31         ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-13 11:54         ` James Broadhead
2012-03-14  0:16           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14  8:39             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-14 12:40               ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 14:41                 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 14:51                   ` Philip Webb
2012-03-14 15:04                     ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 15:08                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 15:22                         ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 15:59                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 21:00                             ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 16:28                           ` Matthew Summers
2012-03-15 13:22                             ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 17:11                           ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 17:29                             ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 17:58                               ` Matthew Summers
2012-03-14 18:04                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 18:36                                 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 18:56                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 19:14                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-14 19:26                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 19:57                                     ` David Leverton
2012-03-14 21:04                                       ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 22:14                                         ` David Leverton
2012-03-14 22:51                                           ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:21                                             ` David Leverton
2012-03-14 23:44                                               ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:58                                                 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15  0:07                                                   ` Greg KH
2012-03-15  0:29                                                 ` David Leverton
2012-03-15 11:20                                                   ` Stelian Ionescu
2012-03-15 12:23                                                     ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 14:01                                                 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 23:47                                               ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15  0:36                                                 ` David Leverton
2012-03-15  0:45                                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15  0:49                                                     ` David Leverton
2012-03-15 12:27                                                     ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 15:29                                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15  0:58                                                   ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15  1:06                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15  1:49                                                       ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16 23:29                                                         ` Zac Medico
2012-03-16 23:29                                                         ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 12:16                                             ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 12:09                                           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 22:39                                         ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 22:49                                           ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:27                                             ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 23:37                                               ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:51                                                 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15  1:07                                                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15  1:37                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15  1:44                                                     ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16  1:17                                                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-16  1:18                                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-15  5:18                                                 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-15  8:13                                                 ` Martin Gysel
2012-03-15 12:40                                                 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 20:44                                                   ` Richard Yao
2012-03-17  7:12                                                     ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-19  5:21                                                       ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 12:34                                               ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 20:45                                                 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 21:49                                                   ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 20:03                                     ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 20:55                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 21:05                                         ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15  4:10                                           ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 12:47                                         ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 13:36                                     ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 19:30                                 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-15  5:04                                 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-14 17:59                               ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15  5:24                                 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-15 12:51                                 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 20:12                       ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 11:04                       ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 12:30                         ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 13:05                           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 14:42                           ` Greg KH
2012-03-15 19:04                             ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 19:17                               ` [gentoo-dev] /dev/serial/ (was "Let's redesign the entire filesystem!") Greg KH
2012-03-15 19:41                                 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 14:41                         ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Greg KH
2012-03-16  0:47                           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-16  2:43                             ` Greg KH
2012-03-16  3:01                               ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16 15:18                                 ` Greg KH
2012-03-16 17:00                                   ` Michael Orlitzky
     [not found]                                 ` <7c08803524244ff0808d16539b8f9926@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2012-03-16 22:41                                   ` Richard Yao
2012-03-13 14:41         ` [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-13 23:12           ` James Broadhead
2012-03-14 12:00           ` James Cloos
2012-03-14 17:52             ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 18:48               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-14 20:10                 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-15  6:33                   ` Duncan
2012-03-15 13:07                   ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13  5:11       ` [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181 Luca Barbato
2012-03-14  0:13         ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14  8:03           ` Duncan
2012-03-14 12:07             ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 18:43               ` Duncan
2012-03-14 21:13               ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 13:10                 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 21:49                   ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11  3:44   ` Dale
2012-03-11  5:48   ` Duncan
2012-03-11 11:03   ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 15:33     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-11 21:28       ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 21:43         ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 21:48           ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 23:15             ` William Hubbs
2012-03-12 12:37               ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 17:01                 ` Matthias Hanft
2012-03-12 19:32                   ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13 14:34               ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 22:57   ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13  8:43   ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-13  9:14     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-14  0:29       ` Joshua Kinard [this message]
2012-03-14  0:36         ` Stelian Ionescu
2012-03-14  1:04         ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14  1:14         ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-14 13:02         ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-13 10:32     ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11  6:49 ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-11 21:08   ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11 23:03     ` Duncan
2012-03-11 23:14       ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-12  9:02         ` Duncan
2012-03-12 14:09     ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-12 19:41       ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13  2:06     ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-12 18:34   ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-03-13  2:04     ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-11  8:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Neil Bothwick
2012-03-11  8:41   ` Michał Górny
2012-03-11  9:36     ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-11 10:43       ` Michał Górny
2012-03-11 17:26 ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 18:08   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-11 23:09   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-12 20:50   ` [gentoo-dev] " Robin H. Johnson

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