From: Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFD: EAPI specification in ebuilds
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 08:06:50 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F5B7C1A.6060509@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120309192054.776bcd56@googlemail.com>
On 03/09/2012 11:20 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:49:44 -0500
> Michael Orlitzky <michael@orlitzky.com> wrote:
>>>> isnt the whole point of the proposal to get eapi without sourcing ?
>>>>
>>>> so that we can use new bash features at local or global scope
>>>> without risking that people with an old bash get syntax errors
>>>> trying to get the eapi
>>>
>>> Right. Michael has lost sight of the goal and is moving off on a
>>> tangent.
>>
>> The point was to be able to get the EAPI without crashing if the
>> ebuild uses newer features.
>
> No, it's not. There's more to it than that.
>
> Some EAPIs really require defining certain environment variables, shell
> options, sandbox things etc *before* the sourcing starts. It's a massive
> pain in the ass to try to handle setting that kind of thing on the fly
> once the sourcing has already started. Knowing the EAPI before having
> to spawn a bash process isn't just about performance, it's also about
> making ebuilds much less difficult to deal with.
Yeah. Another way of putting it is that the requirement to spawn a bash
process and source the ebuild adds a ridiculous amount of unnecessary
complexity, in violation of the KISS principle [1].
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle
--
Thanks,
Zac
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-10 16:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-07 20:41 [gentoo-dev] RFD: EAPI specification in ebuilds Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-07 20:44 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-07 21:07 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-07 22:04 ` David Leverton
2012-03-07 22:14 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 0:17 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 12:03 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 15:56 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 17:28 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 17:48 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 17:53 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 18:37 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 18:48 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 21:35 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 23:31 ` Alec Warner
2012-03-09 3:05 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 5:04 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-09 5:35 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 5:51 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 14:42 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 15:05 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:21 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 15:41 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:51 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09 15:58 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:49 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 16:57 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 19:20 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-10 16:06 ` Zac Medico [this message]
2012-03-12 1:55 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12 4:08 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 8:36 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12 15:35 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12 16:05 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 16:12 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12 16:28 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 2:01 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-14 2:16 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:52 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-09 16:15 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:33 ` Eray Aslan
2012-03-09 16:43 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:29 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-09 16:57 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 17:11 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-09 17:31 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 17:47 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 18:03 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 19:08 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 2:03 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12 2:20 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 2:24 ` Alec Warner
2012-03-12 6:57 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12 6:50 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12 7:08 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 7:39 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12 8:27 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12 8:30 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12 9:09 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12 9:16 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12 9:48 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-12 10:12 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12 15:20 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 17:01 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 17:30 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 17:46 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 19:20 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 8:39 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12 9:10 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12 3:55 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 17:52 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12 1:00 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-09 18:02 ` James Broadhead
2012-03-09 18:24 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09 18:29 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 18:33 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 18:56 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 19:23 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-09 20:09 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-19 1:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-03-19 1:36 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-19 3:21 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-24 13:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-03-07 22:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alexandre Rostovtsev
2012-03-08 2:22 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-08 16:14 ` [gentoo-dev] Ebb (eb) was: " Todd Goodman
2012-03-08 4:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alec Warner
2012-03-08 7:27 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 8:13 ` Alec Warner
2012-03-08 15:27 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:11 ` David Leverton
2012-03-08 16:21 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:29 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 16:50 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:59 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2012-03-08 17:03 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 19:17 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 19:31 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 19:48 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-08 9:42 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-08 16:30 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:35 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 17:07 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 17:14 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 17:30 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-08 17:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-10 1:06 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-10 13:53 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-09 11:28 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-08 12:06 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 15:58 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 16:51 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 17:03 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-08 16:47 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-03-08 17:52 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 17:56 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 18:22 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 19:04 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 19:38 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09 0:50 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-18 7:23 ` Ralph Sennhauser
2012-03-18 11:18 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-18 11:27 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-04-12 19:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ulrich Mueller
2012-04-12 20:19 ` Mike Frysinger
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=4F5B7C1A.6060509@gentoo.org \
--to=zmedico@gentoo.org \
--cc=gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox