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From: Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFD: EAPI specification in ebuilds
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:47:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F5A4246.8080605@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F5A3E6C.4040900@orlitzky.com>

On 03/09/2012 09:31 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 03/09/12 12:11, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 09 Mar 2012, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>>
>>>> What if bash starts to parse the script completely and barfs at
>>>> 'syntax error' before it starts executing stuff?
>>
>>> It doesn't parse the script completely, it executes line-by-line, so
>>> we can bail out early.
>>
>> How can you tell that this behaviour won't be changed in a future bash
>> version?
>>
> 
> Who's to say that in the future my computer won't be made out of
> delicious ice cream, eliminating the need for EAPIs entirely?
> 
> Chances are, this would break thousands of scripts, so we hope they
> wouldn't do it. If it does happen, we either deal with it then, or don't
> upgrade to that version of bash -- the same as we would do with any
> other massive breaking change.

Ulrich is talking about extensions which require a newer version of
bash. These kinds of extensions are quite common and don't cause
"massive breaking" because people simply have to upgrade bash in order
to use the new extensions, and their old scripts continue to run because
the new extensions don't interfere with backward compatibility.

Your eapi() function proposal is especially fragile in this context
because it assumes that the installed version of bash will be able to
execute a script that may target a newer version of bash. This is a
special case that is typically not a problem, although it is a major
problem under the specific conditions that your eapi() function approach
induces.

Anyway, lets focus on our main goal, which is to decide on a way to
obtain the EAPI _without_ sourcing the ebuild.
-- 
Thanks,
Zac



  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-09 17:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-07 20:41 [gentoo-dev] RFD: EAPI specification in ebuilds Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-07 20:44 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-07 21:07 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-07 22:04   ` David Leverton
2012-03-07 22:14 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08  0:17   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 12:03   ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 15:56     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 17:28       ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 17:48         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 17:53           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 18:37             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 18:48               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 21:35                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 23:31                   ` Alec Warner
2012-03-09  3:05                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09  5:04                   ` Michał Górny
2012-03-09  5:35                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09  5:51                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 14:42                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 15:05                           ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:21                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 15:41                               ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:51                                 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09 15:58                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:49                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 16:57                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 19:20                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-10 16:06                                         ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12  1:55                                           ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12  4:08                                             ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12  8:36                                               ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12 15:35                                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12 16:05                                                 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 16:12                                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12 16:28                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14  2:01                                                   ` Brian Harring
2012-03-14  2:16                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:52                                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-09 16:15                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:33                                     ` Eray Aslan
2012-03-09 16:43                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:29                       ` Michał Górny
2012-03-09 16:57                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 17:11                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-09 17:31                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 17:47                               ` Zac Medico [this message]
2012-03-09 18:03                                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 19:08                                 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12  2:03                                 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12  2:20                                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12  2:24                                     ` Alec Warner
2012-03-12  6:57                                       ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  6:50                                     ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  7:08                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12  7:39                                         ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  8:27                                         ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  8:30                                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12  9:09                                             ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  9:16                                               ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  9:48                                                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-12 10:12                                                   ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12 15:20                                                     ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 17:01                                                 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 17:30                                                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 17:46                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 19:20                                                       ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12  8:39                                           ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  9:10                                             ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  3:55                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 17:52                               ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  1:00                                 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-09 18:02                               ` James Broadhead
2012-03-09 18:24                                 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09 18:29                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 18:33                                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 18:56                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 19:23                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-09 20:09                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-19  1:12                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-03-19  1:36                   ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-19  3:21                     ` Brian Harring
2012-03-24 13:24                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-03-07 22:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alexandre Rostovtsev
2012-03-08  2:22   ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-08 16:14     ` [gentoo-dev] Ebb (eb) was: " Todd Goodman
2012-03-08  4:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alec Warner
2012-03-08  7:27   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08  8:13     ` Alec Warner
2012-03-08 15:27       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:11         ` David Leverton
2012-03-08 16:21           ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:29             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 16:50               ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:59               ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2012-03-08 17:03                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 19:17                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 19:31                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 19:48                       ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-08  9:42     ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-08 16:30       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:35         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 17:07           ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 17:14             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 17:30               ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-08 17:37                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-10  1:06                 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-10 13:53                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-09 11:28         ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-08 12:06   ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 15:58 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 16:51   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 17:03     ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-08 16:47 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-03-08 17:52 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 17:56   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 18:22   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 19:04   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 19:38     ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09  0:50 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-18  7:23 ` Ralph Sennhauser
2012-03-18 11:18   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-18 11:27   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-04-12 19:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ulrich Mueller
2012-04-12 20:19   ` Mike Frysinger

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