From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Rkkc9-0006Il-Hd for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:56:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FC2221C119; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D39B21C110 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3so57619yen.40 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:55:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=la51hPH21Uc8LJIuDHSFKyaf5zhSeYnsJqENhRQNnqA=; b=LUniqNhKa+cfXq1LXfcOT2xDggbYuOQFi/CEqIPPjwrOCR68mghWQE/KT/jiu4Py/Q gmAl16ewFJprLn5wHqgrawxucIF4ThlVaJnPpHGwdYngfkC4Fiia25uUoQ0dCE6Bz1ag TZBdElRk4BP7ZGbasLhf4qIqy9TW6ezyl+Rx8= Received: by 10.236.131.12 with SMTP id l12mr29786271yhi.111.1326236115922; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-65-42.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.65.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n5sm111414836yhk.1.2012.01.10.14.55.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:55:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F0CC1CB.2030809@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:55:07 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20120104 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr References: <4F0440B3.4090500@gentoo.org> <20120106160719.GB18959@fury> <201201080047.27281.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <20120108103345.382b8db3@pomiocik.lan> <20120110181452.GA14155@mailgate.onlinehome-server.info> <20120110194640.7696d2c7@pomiocik.lan> <4F0C89CB.6010402@gmail.com> <4F0C8CD6.107@fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <4F0C8CD6.107@fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: e9b9fe14-2134-4e53-a5f2-fb8ded519ec8 X-Archives-Hash: a4b8007a16aa6ed7069eff3b5e099a27 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10.01.2012 19:56, Dale wrote: >> Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:14:52 +0100 Enrico >>> Weigelt wrote: >>> >>>> * Micha?? G=C3=B3rny schrieb: >>>> >>>>> Does working hard involve compiling even more packages >>>>> statically? >>>> I guess, he means keeping udev in / ? >>> Because adding 80 KiB of initramfs hurts so much? We should then >>> put more work just to ensure that admin doesn't have to waste 15 >>> minutes to recompile the kernel (if necessary), create an >>> initramfs and add it to bootloader config? >>> >> >> Took me days to get dracut to work. Where does 15 minutes come >> from? How much time does it take when the initramfs fails? I keep >> hoping that all the smart people involved in this will see the mess >> it is creating. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but I'm sharp >> enough to see the mess this is going to create and I'm just a >> desktop user. I feel sorry for people with more complicated >> systems or remote ones. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) >> > If you have got it working once, it should take less than 15 minutes > (I've made myself a bashscript with the exact dracut commandline > parameters needed for my system). > > But I have to agree with you, that exotic setups (I have encypted root > on my laptop) are very bad documented. > If dracut shall become standard for Gentoo (alternative: genkernel can > build an initramfs) someone will have to write an exact howto with the > most important (or better all) commandline arguments and kernel > commandline parameters. > > Hinnerk > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPDIzWAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYccIUH/2sPXpD/nOyrMZi34eUgV8qp > NVa/JvVUEiSdxpETJoahwNTT1tOilxXA5ospLK3FShDyMqmngaFtTp8dqaiojOwg > OOcNkmq8/W6GUVrRUOfBjM1LORVOcGkGWAQ2RNkah388M7HCXe98bgKSd7vLJtbd > E5deIZ8ETLaJ2+tQh1L3Af6D7hUlZolbwwmUGl7b81o6O1YFjkvaZFiNBBoSQ8rD > h+OXxnsXn72xFIqek/egpPkUqHDRhtO4hvo6fJR5JZGpF8r1HeS3y4Fa/jFPVrtV > EUsdkCulW5ZDQt0pXbWDOugMhEFtkJ3NMlZKUiqdKYiiZmJcmp1Rgu0NQYlw0uY=3D > =3Dbupg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > If I recall correctly, it took me at least three or four web sites and=20 the man page to get dracut to work. This is something that needs to be=20 worked on hugely before this goes to much farther. Gentoo doesn't need=20 to lose its status on the docs. I tried to follow the Gentoo doc and it=20 would not even boot. I tried everything I could find but it still=20 didn't work. Out of date, maybe. I dunno. It just didn't work for=20 me. Thing is, my current setup doesn't even need one. I plan to have a=20 separate /usr on LVM as soon as I can get me one more large drive. I'll=20 have to have one then. Dale :-) :-) --=20 I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or = how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=3D"--quiet-build=3Dn"