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[65.0.65.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y58sm111291614yhi.17.2012.01.10.14.40.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F0CBE41.7030502@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:40:01 -0600 From: Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20120104 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr References: <4F0440B3.4090500@gentoo.org> <CAGfcS_nuCOpK=yrCN38hZMi7CZqYKZuqfmTdybjiOO51fqZ9cQ@mail.gmail.com> <20120106160719.GB18959@fury> <201201080047.27281.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <20120108103345.382b8db3@pomiocik.lan> <20120110181452.GA14155@mailgate.onlinehome-server.info> <20120110194640.7696d2c7@pomiocik.lan> <4F0C89CB.6010402@gmail.com> <20120110200315.4f8dbb7a@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: <20120110200315.4f8dbb7a@pomiocik.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: dcf82fe5-cea6-4731-8cd5-14e02d15fb8f X-Archives-Hash: 70264bb325807afd83be7f80dc287f71 Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:56:11 -0600 > Dale<rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:14:52 +0100 >>> Enrico Weigelt<weigelt@metux.de> wrote: >>> >>>> * Micha?? G=C3=B3rny<mgorny@gentoo.org> schrieb: >>>> >>>>> Does working hard involve compiling even more packages statically? >>>> I guess, he means keeping udev in / ? >>> Because adding 80 KiB of initramfs hurts so much? We should then put >>> more work just to ensure that admin doesn't have to waste 15 >>> minutes to recompile the kernel (if necessary), create an initramfs >>> and add it to bootloader config? >>> >> >> Took me days to get dracut to work. Where does 15 minutes come >> from? > I just took the time I needed to write an initramfs from scratch > and divided it by two, assuming using an already-made tool is simpler. Wish it was like that for me. I never got one made from scratch to work. > >> How much time does it take when the initramfs fails? > The same when rootfs fails? Only the fact that initramfs is less likely > to break than rootfs, and you have a pretty good opportunity now to > experiment with it while nothing on your system made it useless without > one. Funny, I never had the rootfs fail before. I have had init thingys fail=20 many many times. They lead to a reinstall since I had no idea how to=20 fix it. > >> I keep hoping that all the smart people involved in this will see the >> mess it is creating. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but I'm >> sharp enough to see the mess this is going to create and I'm just a >> desktop user. I feel sorry for people with more complicated systems >> or remote ones. > The mess was created by people shouting 'hey, real men use > separate /usr for no good reason! Be awesome like us'. > I think it is more like people do that when they have a good reason to=20 do so. I plan to put mine on /usr when I get the chance and know that=20 this init crap isn't going to break my rig. It's not being "awesome"=20 either. Dale :-) :-) --=20 I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or = how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=3D"--quiet-build=3Dn"