From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri6iJ-00036w-W2 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:55:48 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 686D421C17A; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE2321C171 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.131] (CPE002401f30b73-CM001cea3ddad8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.224.72.201]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: axs) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F65A1B4011 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4F032489.5000202@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:53:45 -0500 From: Ian Stakenvicius User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111220 Thunderbird/8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr References: <20120101015947.GA9914@linux1> <20120101085326.GA1928@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20120101085326.GA1928@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5bc110f1-0613-4795-974f-7882c2124604 X-Archives-Hash: 76c84f07fc6e4b3e1e0c25f9174c5aa4 On 01/01/12 03:53 AM, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 07:59:47PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: >> The goal is to deprecate /bin, /lib, /sbin and /usr/sbin. My >> understanding is that they want to move software that is installed in >> /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin to /usr/bin. Also, they want to move >> everything from /lib to /usr/lib. > > I don't like this one bit. Things used to be simple with the "split" between > /bin and /usr/bin (and its related directories), this isn't going to make it > more simple. I concurr. I will admit that I've been rather out of touch with what other distros are doing (and have been for ~3-4 years), but combining everything into /usr/bin just seems plain backwards and I am rather shocked that all the distros are moving that way. Has the LFH been updated?? Googling seems to say no, as the last mod seems to have been in 2004... I know that, technically, these are 'userspace' programs in that they aren't kernel-space, but they're still 'system' programs so to me it still makes sense for them to be on the 'system' side of the filesystem hierarchy, doesn't it? > >> 3) Try to maintain things the way they are as long as possible. > > I'm all for this one. I second this too. IMO, unless the FSSTND matches the new proposal from udev/systemd/etc upstreams, then I think we should stick with what the LFH describes. It may be possible, too, on this basis, to file bugs against the upstreams to enforce compatible behaviour?? Of course, 'as long as possible' may depend a bit on what the timelines are.. I would hope that we can support existing behaviour for at least the next 6+ months? (at least then, if the Mayan calendar's right, the end of the world will keep us from having to implement the change)..