From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RQ1hv-0001CE-L3 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:56:40 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3503121C0C0; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C85C21C035 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.26.4] (ip98-164-193-252.oc.oc.cox.net [98.164.193.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zmedico) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A67021B4001 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EC1643D.40109@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:55:57 -0800 From: Zac Medico User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111102 Thunderbird/7.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <4EC0141E.2030900@gentoo.org> <4EC10B5D.3070204@gmail.com> <4EC14E12.2070703@gentoo.org> <4EC15219.70402@gmail.com> <4EC158FF.7090609@gentoo.org> <4EC15F44.4050205@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EC15F44.4050205@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 832cf923-65c5-41d9-a7c4-d508beee9e7b X-Archives-Hash: a162a218a85efbe64f1921e6461d379a On 11/14/2011 10:34 AM, Dale wrote: > Zac Medico wrote: >> On 11/14/2011 09:38 AM, Dale wrote: >>> As I type: >>> >>> emerge should show build output by default (unless --quiet-build=y) 42% >>> >>> So far that's the winner. As I posted earlier, people expect things to >>> work like they have always worked. I say that as a user. >> As I've explained in my post to that forum thread [1], you have to >> factor in the "silent majority" that welcomes the change and does not >> express it publicly. A forumor mailing list thread tends to attract a >> "vocal minority", which tends to bias the discussion (or voting results) >> in way that does not give a fair statistical representation of the >> gentoo population as a whole (it excludes the "silent majority"). It's >> part of human nature that those who are displeased with the changed more >> likely to speak up than those who welcome the change. >> >> [1] >> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6871718.html?sid=960ebd269384029c21e708d8dfa745ef#6871718 >> > > The same could be said if the poll was going the other way as well. Well the part about human nature has some tricky implications. It means that the "vocal minority" is likely to contain a larger percentage of unhappy people than percentage that exists in the whole population. > If > the results are not going to be used or just going to be explained away, > then why have the poll to begin with? Why do we go on living when we know that we will eventually die and that there will be no trace left of our existence? Life is a journey, and we are required to surrender all of our souvenirs in the end. -- Thanks, Zac