From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RQ1NK-0006kz-VF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:35:24 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE1ED21C081; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f181.google.com (mail-vx0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98EF21C035 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfk26 with SMTP id fk26so10348751vcb.40 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:34:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3iFKyowuCs3/5ZAOJNMxeRj06+EkTZGOybCzP+pRZKQ=; b=W9eLDWznLsDYZZQhkAGu3BQf3A1UAATGFqcf7Iz37CTvglXzNrmYytmlrML3mLYJ7q yHQi/eyVAojB+mdq8jGj846wqWm5JkLFQryvewYAzzlek/zz92BRe40ABFJHrqSWPRQE lOlmladnm6GjfV+A+a4Zc3rCK9qvd08JmlaOQ= Received: by 10.220.149.12 with SMTP id r12mr2492795vcv.205.1321295687169; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-124-88.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.124.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dw3sm31967209vdb.16.2011.11.14.10.34.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:34:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EC15F44.4050205@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:34:44 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111022 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <4EC0141E.2030900@gentoo.org> <4EC10B5D.3070204@gmail.com> <4EC14E12.2070703@gentoo.org> <4EC15219.70402@gmail.com> <4EC158FF.7090609@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4EC158FF.7090609@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 47700983-af14-4669-b328-7c10dd9b2c56 X-Archives-Hash: c4909a9f9b986f25909116ce4a9c4a9a Zac Medico wrote: > On 11/14/2011 09:38 AM, Dale wrote: >> As I type: >> >> emerge should show build output by default (unless --quiet-build=y) 42% >> >> So far that's the winner. As I posted earlier, people expect things to >> work like they have always worked. I say that as a user. > As I've explained in my post to that forum thread [1], you have to > factor in the "silent majority" that welcomes the change and does not > express it publicly. A forumor mailing list thread tends to attract a > "vocal minority", which tends to bias the discussion (or voting results) > in way that does not give a fair statistical representation of the > gentoo population as a whole (it excludes the "silent majority"). It's > part of human nature that those who are displeased with the changed more > likely to speak up than those who welcome the change. > > [1] > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6871718.html?sid=960ebd269384029c21e708d8dfa745ef#6871718 The same could be said if the poll was going the other way as well. If the results are not going to be used or just going to be explained away, then why have the poll to begin with? I don't think you started the poll but just saying. . . Again, as a loooooong time user, I expect things to remain like they are unless that is going to break something or is a must change with no other option. That does happen from time to time but this is not one of those times. I shouldn't have to go override settings just to keep it like it was. All this said, if my opinion doesn't matter, that's fine. I changed my make.conf already. So now your change doesn't affect me. It just may confuse the heck out of others that don't subscribe here and know about the change. That is the biggest reason I subscribed here a long time ago. Changes pop up that I wasn't expecting and I tend to like to see things coming even if it is a freight train. ;-) This gives me time to undo some things or at least prepare for them. Later. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!