From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RQ19r-0004mQ-GX for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:21:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 61EDB21C0F7; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3AA21C0C8 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.26.4] (ip98-164-193-252.oc.oc.cox.net [98.164.193.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zmedico) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 80CE21B4001 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EC15BFF.90503@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:20:47 -0800 From: Zac Medico User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111102 Thunderbird/7.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <4EC0141E.2030900@gentoo.org> <4EC10B5D.3070204@gmail.com> <4EC14E12.2070703@gentoo.org> <4EC15219.70402@gmail.com> <4EC158FF.7090609@gentoo.org> <4EC15A7D.6010209@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4EC15A7D.6010209@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 6bcf9c50-513f-4293-87c8-b05fd0765c1e X-Archives-Hash: 1b04ac0f7118e4b456a9942b56aea7a0 On 11/14/2011 10:14 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 14/11/11 01:07 PM, Zac Medico wrote: >> On 11/14/2011 09:38 AM, Dale wrote: >>> As I type: >>> >>> emerge should show build output by default (unless --quiet-build=y) 42% >>> >>> So far that's the winner. As I posted earlier, people expect things to >>> work like they have always worked. I say that as a user. > >> As I've explained in my post to that forum thread [1], you have to >> factor in the "silent majority" that welcomes the change and does not >> express it publicly. > > Uhh.. isn't that like saying, in a general election, "you have to take > into account all the people that don't vote" ?? Just sayin'... You've snipped my comment about human nature, which is that those who are displeased with the changed more likely to speak up than those who welcome the change. > My $0.02 is that, after 50-60 (or more? i lost count) posts on whether > this flag is set or not, and what seems to be entrenchment instead of > consolidation on either side, maybe this should be put on the agenda at > the next Council meeting -- 5 mins of debate + a vote and the argument > is done, right? That sound fair to me. Maybe not entirely "statistically fair", but that can only ever be approximated anyway. -- Thanks, Zac