From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-48650-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1RQ0xR-0002Ia-IX for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:08:37 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 83CFD21C0E5; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B6821C0DA for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.26.4] (ip98-164-193-252.oc.oc.cox.net [98.164.193.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zmedico) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D3291B401A for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EC158FF.7090609@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:07:59 -0800 From: Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111102 Thunderbird/7.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <pan.2011.11.13.16.24.06@cox.net> <4EC0141E.2030900@gentoo.org> <4EC10B5D.3070204@gmail.com> <4EC14E12.2070703@gentoo.org> <4EC15219.70402@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EC15219.70402@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: da6ace8e-664d-4ca8-a2b2-f64be579015b X-Archives-Hash: 7e809973c53256611ee7ef6bf1ea1d0e On 11/14/2011 09:38 AM, Dale wrote: > As I type: > > emerge should show build output by default (unless --quiet-build=y) 42% > > So far that's the winner. As I posted earlier, people expect things to > work like they have always worked. I say that as a user. As I've explained in my post to that forum thread [1], you have to factor in the "silent majority" that welcomes the change and does not express it publicly. A forumor mailing list thread tends to attract a "vocal minority", which tends to bias the discussion (or voting results) in way that does not give a fair statistical representation of the gentoo population as a whole (it excludes the "silent majority"). It's part of human nature that those who are displeased with the changed more likely to speak up than those who welcome the change. [1] https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6871718.html?sid=960ebd269384029c21e708d8dfa745ef#6871718 -- Thanks, Zac