From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-48648-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1RQ0Uz-0004lL-BF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:39:13 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C51D21C087; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3BF21C03A for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19so10206854vws.40 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:38:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=p+mjG9NvjgWTDo1jeA0uoRCXgngJR4NHnPVzQivM+l4=; b=AWPrfXczcUANMsPizFilyU8lZ9rfWvhDHH3Jx6EEjZEa4WAHovIp7qKC/8zDnG7zHZ tG42IG3S9De6sCmD3raaJ25M2oEv76LIcj2wWpHOBQiOM0mCJnxS0fYNOJmYjTcupdTG cGJUPmMs9xe5Ug6sr/zkfjPF3mzAN127hs554= Received: by 10.52.33.239 with SMTP id u15mr35986527vdi.49.1321292315733; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-124-88.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.124.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eu4sm31727243vdc.8.2011.11.14.09.38.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:38:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EC15219.70402@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:38:33 -0600 From: Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111022 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <pan.2011.11.13.16.24.06@cox.net> <4EC0141E.2030900@gentoo.org> <4EC10B5D.3070204@gmail.com> <4EC14E12.2070703@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4EC14E12.2070703@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 45d4d107-3eca-44bd-a308-156bdc3565f9 X-Archives-Hash: b0236d7d2956ab8b2f28e12b1b39eb67 Zac Medico wrote: > On 11/14/2011 04:36 AM, Dale wrote: >> Zac Medico wrote: >>> 1) I estimate that the flooding of the terminal with build output is >>> useless for more than 99% of users. Usually, there's too much >>> information scrolling by at too high of a rate for it to be >>> intelligible. Having this as the default behavior is ridiculous and >>> leads to jokes like apt-gentoo [1]. Generally, people who want to >>> analyze build output are best served by PORT_LOGDIR. >> One key. Scroll Lock. You can look all you want then hit it again to >> let it carry on. There is also ctrl Z as well. I use that a good bit >> to see what is going on. Just type in fg to carry on. >> >> As for progress, genlop -c does that already. > We're not stopping you from using your preferred approach. Just set > EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--quiet-build=n" in /etc/make.conf if it suits you. > > Well, I'm off to disable another default being pushed out. I just wonder if make.conf is going to end up the largest file portage uses one day. :/ Every time something changes, I go add another setting to make.conf. As I type: emerge should show build output by default (unless --quiet-build=y) 42% So far that's the winner. As I posted earlier, people expect things to work like they have always worked. I say that as a user. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!