From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RQ0EI-0001wL-MI for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:21:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DE7221C0C4; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D309821C03B for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.151.200.146] (staff-wireless.saddleback.edu [209.129.85.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zmedico) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 202FD1B4001 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EC14E12.2070703@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:21:22 -0800 From: Zac Medico User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111102 Thunderbird/7.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <4EC0141E.2030900@gentoo.org> <4EC10B5D.3070204@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EC10B5D.3070204@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 8367257e-7d31-4449-8772-f057bfadf13d X-Archives-Hash: d442c21a190577b8fed15cf6cdee32eb On 11/14/2011 04:36 AM, Dale wrote: > Zac Medico wrote: >> 1) I estimate that the flooding of the terminal with build output is >> useless for more than 99% of users. Usually, there's too much >> information scrolling by at too high of a rate for it to be >> intelligible. Having this as the default behavior is ridiculous and >> leads to jokes like apt-gentoo [1]. Generally, people who want to >> analyze build output are best served by PORT_LOGDIR. > > One key. Scroll Lock. You can look all you want then hit it again to > let it carry on. There is also ctrl Z as well. I use that a good bit > to see what is going on. Just type in fg to carry on. > > As for progress, genlop -c does that already. We're not stopping you from using your preferred approach. Just set EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--quiet-build=n" in /etc/make.conf if it suits you. >> >> 2) With --quiet-build, the user is presented with a useful summary of >> overall progress, along with current load average data. The output is >> consistent regardless of whether or not the emerge --jobs option is used. >> >> [1] http://chris-lamb.co.uk/2011/08/12/careful-what-you-wish-for/ > > Unless you are trying to compile one that failed earlier. Then you > don't want the default, you want to see what made it fail. Then google > is our friend again. With --quiet-build, if a build fails then the *entire* build log is displayed on the terminal. -- Thanks, Zac