From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RPwLP-0000Ce-Rp for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:13:04 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8401A21C12A; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f181.google.com (mail-gx0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44B321C12F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnv2 with SMTP id v2so7763348ggn.40 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 05:12:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BT9kJQXHcH/Kv74V5vspUYsgCfoLn9rl7pDSuy8yYzA=; b=Dr2ZWa7OWlj9muh7E297xp8Y19GPjLajOXTuBMqtBA7RlRBDlzRAXxCtmbs8/K4Vp7 UHfswQgZF03EPwBtuWYNqPplly7JwhYYmM5dROnKzrZBdAQWonyAevCf4VJ2xWJk2/4Q 1+uDj8Xjr9VSqnEqXLtAFTCz4H2PhHMbi09BE= Received: by 10.236.192.135 with SMTP id i7mr14989481yhn.13.1321276320345; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 05:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-124-88.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.124.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f32sm61015783ani.20.2011.11.14.05.11.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Nov 2011 05:11:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EC11398.7030200@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:11:52 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111022 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <4EBFCD5D.3080807@gentoo.org> <1321194595-sup-8983@raeviah> <4EBFE727.8000903@gentoo.org> <4EC02CC0.9080907@gentoo.org> <4EC04E11.3060500@gentoo.org> <4EC0559C.4020806@gentoo.org> <4EC106D8.9030402@gmail.com> <1321273331-sup-1733@ittemni> <4EC10CF8.2010904@gmail.com> <1321274837-sup-7585@ittemni> In-Reply-To: <1321274837-sup-7585@ittemni> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 87aee448-7789-4d89-a52b-890434f0df06 X-Archives-Hash: 17d18c87461c463a74ea71d150b7d4d2 Amadeusz =C5=BBo=C5=82nowski wrote: > Excerpts from Dale's message of 2011-11-14 13:43:36 +0100: >> Amadeusz =C5=BBo=C5=82nowski wrote: >>> Excerpts from Dale's message of 2011-11-14 13:17:28 +0100: >>>> Here is some feedback then. I liked it the way it was. When a >>>> build fails, I do a one of install of that package and I like to >>>> see the output. Why, because sometimes it gives me a hint as to >>>> why it failed or something I can google for. >>> If it fails you get tail of build.log, so you see it anyway. >> That doesn't always go back far enough tho. I have on my new rig seen >> the failure be as far back as a couple hundred lines. > Well, don't say that if problem is hundreds lines back you search it in > that output. I'd use for that purpose "less build.log" anyway. > > If emerge puts it on the screen like it always has, I won't need to go=20 to any build.log. It will be there on the screen already since I have=20 history set to save everything. That just means this change is going=20 to cause users to do even more to find out what is broke. That could=20 lead to posts on the forums or mailing lists where people have a build=20 to fail and very little if any info since there is not much on the screen= . As I mentioned in another post. Users expect things to work like they=20 always have. That is my point. There is really no reason to change=20 this. It doesn't change what portage does under the hood at all. The=20 old way does help the user tho. It has been a while but I have had=20 compiles to freeze or loop. No output means it would sit there for a=20 good long while, possibly doing nothing. Dale :-) :-)