From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RPl1y-0005gN-DY for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:08:14 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CAA9E21C077; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2E121C0BF for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.20] (e178070230.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.178.70.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: chithanh) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D7A01B4009 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EC069D8.6040509@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 02:07:36 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2jDrS1UaGFuaCBDaHJpc3RvcGhlciBOZ3V54buFbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111031 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <4EBFCD5D.3080807@gentoo.org> <1321194595-sup-8983@raeviah> <4EBFE727.8000903@gentoo.org> <4EC02CC0.9080907@gentoo.org> <4EC04E11.3060500@gentoo.org> <4EC0559C.4020806@gentoo.org> <4EC05FA3.2050301@gentoo.org> <4EC0618D.4070303@gentoo.org> <4EC06271.7050002@gentoo.org> <4EC06366.1090506@gentoo.org> <4EC06494.90108@gentoo.org> <4EC067F5.6020009@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4EC067F5.6020009@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 1a398e86-35ca-43dc-814e-969402de7b4a X-Archives-Hash: 78ede40958e0c72979db0e6c8987cf8b Zac Medico schrieb: >> To be more explicit: >> 1) "emerge foo": quiet build >> 2) "emerge foo --quiet-build=3Dn": non-quiet build >> 3) "emerge foo -v": non-quiet build >> 4) "emerge foo -v --quiet-build=3Dy": quiet-build >> >> So -v sets the default for quiet build, but user can still override wi= th >> explicit --quiet-build=3D... >> >> I think the case 1) covers the arguments in favour of having quiet bui= ld >> by default. >=20 > I think that's too fragile because you could easily have people using -= v > and getting the --quiet-build=3Dn behavior even though they didn't want > it. I think most people would prefer to avoid the --quiet-build=3Dn > behavior since, generally, people who want to analyze build output are > better served by PORT_LOGDIR. I think it is a solution which most of the critics of quiet-build could live with and users still won't see build output by default. If a user passes -v and as a result sees build output, I think he won't be confused or angry about it.[1] Best regards, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n [1] http://xkcd.com/242/