From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RPku6-0004R0-TS for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:00:07 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8578821C0B8; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E717B21C091 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.26.4] (ip98-164-193-252.oc.oc.cox.net [98.164.193.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zmedico) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64E351B4024 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EC067F5.6020009@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:59:33 -0800 From: Zac Medico User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111102 Thunderbird/7.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <4EBFCD5D.3080807@gentoo.org> <1321194595-sup-8983@raeviah> <4EBFE727.8000903@gentoo.org> <4EC02CC0.9080907@gentoo.org> <4EC04E11.3060500@gentoo.org> <4EC0559C.4020806@gentoo.org> <4EC05FA3.2050301@gentoo.org> <4EC0618D.4070303@gentoo.org> <4EC06271.7050002@gentoo.org> <4EC06366.1090506@gentoo.org> <4EC06494.90108@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4EC06494.90108@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: bea2dfdb-7adb-44c6-bf15-3b89bb32cb0b X-Archives-Hash: b7cfa58f93843aa561a9109015ab5ed0 On 11/13/2011 04:45 PM, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n wrote: > Zac Medico schrieb: >> On 11/13/2011 04:36 PM, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n wrot= e: >>> Zac Medico schrieb: >>>>> Per discussion on IRC, I propose to make -v turn off quiet-build by= default. >>>>> It can remain enabled by default if -v is not passed to emerge. >>>> >>>> I think -v controls too many other things to make it override >>>> --quiet-build, especially since I consider --quiet-build=3Dn to be a= mode >>>> that most people would prefer to avoid. >>> >>> No, in my proposal --quiet-build would override -v, not the other way= round. >> >> Your proposal was for -v to override the new default --quiet-build >> setting, was it not? >=20 > To be more explicit: > 1) "emerge foo": quiet build > 2) "emerge foo --quiet-build=3Dn": non-quiet build > 3) "emerge foo -v": non-quiet build > 4) "emerge foo -v --quiet-build=3Dy": quiet-build >=20 > So -v sets the default for quiet build, but user can still override wit= h > explicit --quiet-build=3D... >=20 > I think the case 1) covers the arguments in favour of having quiet buil= d > by default. I think that's too fragile because you could easily have people using -v and getting the --quiet-build=3Dn behavior even though they didn't want it. I think most people would prefer to avoid the --quiet-build=3Dn behavior since, generally, people who want to analyze build output are better served by PORT_LOGDIR. --=20 Thanks, Zac