From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-48612-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1RPjgR-0002Rt-Od for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:41:55 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D398121C043; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F9BE0467 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.26.4] (ip98-164-193-252.oc.oc.cox.net [98.164.193.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zmedico) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A31971B4008 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EC0559C.4020806@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:41:16 -0800 From: Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111102 Thunderbird/7.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <4EBFCD5D.3080807@gentoo.org> <1321194595-sup-8983@raeviah> <4EBFE727.8000903@gentoo.org> <4EC02CC0.9080907@gentoo.org> <4EC04E11.3060500@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4EC04E11.3060500@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 6d610e45-313e-40fa-830c-bb20da2844aa X-Archives-Hash: dd01d09f92d858955108d2655b615261 On 11/13/2011 03:09 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote: > Zac Medico schrieb: >> On 11/13/2011 07:49 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote: >>> Please give me a good reason, why i should by default do more things (adding quiet-build=n to the >>> default emerge opts or searching for and opening the build.log) and what i or others do get from >>> that. And less lines on the screen is no added value for me, it removes value. >> >> Why should we expose new users to legacy defaults that are useless to >> more than 99% users, when they would most likely prefer the >> --quiet-build display? > > Why should we change the default behaviour for existing users? Those, who dont want to see it, > probably already use --jobs or quiet-build=y. For the rest, they either dont know about those > options (which does not get better, if some default behaviour changes) or they dont want those > options (in which case you force them to change their configuration/scripts/way to do things). When we change defaults, it affects everyone who hasn't yet overridden the setting in EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS. That's just how it is. > Additionally, do you have any numbers about existing or new users and about the percentage, which > would like the build output to be quiet? All I have is the feedback from this mailing list, an my own intuition. My intuition says that --quiet-build is reasonable default that the silent majority of people will welcome. > Otherwise i see such lines as guess and could say the same > about the exact opposite view ;-) Well, my interpretation of this thread says that the response is overwhelmingly positive, but I could be biased. ;) -- Thanks, Zac