From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RPjBX-0006ad-Qa for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:10:00 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB4D721C05F; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F47421C043 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (p548D2251.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.34.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tommy) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 681E31B4008 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EC04E11.3060500@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:09:05 +0100 From: Thomas Sachau User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111108 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <4EBFCD5D.3080807@gentoo.org> <1321194595-sup-8983@raeviah> <4EBFE727.8000903@gentoo.org> <4EC02CC0.9080907@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4EC02CC0.9080907@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.3 OpenPGP: id=211CA2D4 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3AC1390BDC6BCE5DD741E036" X-Archives-Salt: 248d4ac3-e38b-4fe7-933c-2fa0439f4c78 X-Archives-Hash: 63ab8afada1bc77b6213642263f0b229 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3AC1390BDC6BCE5DD741E036 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Zac Medico schrieb: > On 11/13/2011 07:49 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote: >> Please give me a good reason, why i should by default do more things (= adding quiet-build=3Dn to the >> default emerge opts or searching for and opening the build.log) and wh= at i or others do get from >> that. And less lines on the screen is no added value for me, it remove= s value. >=20 > Why should we expose new users to legacy defaults that are useless to > more than 99% users, when they would most likely prefer the > --quiet-build display? Why should we change the default behaviour for existing users? Those, who= dont want to see it, probably already use --jobs or quiet-build=3Dy. For the rest, they either= dont know about those options (which does not get better, if some default behaviour changes) or= they dont want those options (in which case you force them to change their configuration/scrip= ts/way to do things). Additionally, do you have any numbers about existing or new users and abo= ut the percentage, which would like the build output to be quiet? Otherwise i see such lines as gu= ess and could say the same about the exact opposite view ;-) --------------enig3AC1390BDC6BCE5DD741E036 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iJwEAQECAAYFAk7AThYACgkQG7kqcTWJkGeXpQP8CBvkXJzaOp73svSTFSADJtyT 0lb7lOJP3iuTryNmg1CoKW7UbgViLyddaTyaI3rsEX2GH8PIBC59ux1S+lXVUcro zmn+hPruzgEHUl8SkhJhE1L/F9Lf3piT9a0zr+PeODYduB1mmxqn3Kqmy7lpdkPD FwgspkkDznBX0ct3kNw= =5DFG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3AC1390BDC6BCE5DD741E036--