From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RPOrG-0003xV-T1 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:27:43 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7845B21C05B; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2D121C029 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.20] (e178070230.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.178.70.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: chithanh) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A18E81B4001 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EBF1CDE.2020508@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 02:26:54 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2jDrS1UaGFuaCBDaHJpc3RvcGhlciBOZ3V54buFbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111031 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: openrc: use iproute2 for all network handling in linux References: <20111111215344.GA31226@linux1> <20111111222509.5ee8107a@angelstorm> In-Reply-To: <20111111222509.5ee8107a@angelstorm> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: e7d7005d-8c8e-45d5-ad23-5230cd351bf0 X-Archives-Hash: addbec1c218bfbb8185dc426abb89fa5 Joshua Saddler schrieb: > if net-tools isn't being dropped from the system set, don't force our > users to install redundant utilities. ip is not redundant. You need it for e.g. GRE tunnels. net-tools uses the old /proc/net/dev interface, while iproute uses netlink. This is very much like wireless extensions vs. cfg80211, where the old interface is still around for legacy compatibility but won't receive updates for new features. Eventually, you want to get rid of all /proc/net/dev and wext stuff in order to have a legacy-free system. I would be very much in favour of not installing net-tools by default as soon as openrc switches to iproute. However I think this would make many users unhappy so has to be carefully prepared and users educated first. Debian has set this goal in 2007[1] and they have not reached it yet. Best regards, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/07/msg01113.html