From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RFpfr-0008Ic-MF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:04:23 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 690C121C029; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B41421C025 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.131] (CPE002401f30b73-CM001cea3ddad8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.224.72.201]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: axs) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B133B1B403C for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E9C51A9.1080006@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:02:49 -0400 From: Ian Stakenvicius User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110920 Lightning/1.0b3pre Mnenhy/0.8.2 Thunderbird/3.1.12 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] supporting /usr on separate partition References: <20111012044023.GA8203@waltdnes.org> <1318518871.3885.3.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> <20111013180547.4973defa@googlemail.com> <4416149.yvcg9DIAd9@pc> <4E994AEF.5030002@mailstation.de> <4E9A0414.7030603@gentoo.org> <4E9AD392.30503@gentoo.org> <4E9B261B.1010304@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4E9B261B.1010304@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 946d32ae3abf10a32d707b9c37dd0d63 Splitting this up since i'm kind of starting two threads here.. ----- Documentation discussion ----- On 16/10/11 02:44 PM, Zac Medico wrote: > > Well, you'll have to define the meaning of "support" in this context. I > simply said that it shouldn't be encouraged, with me reason being that > it tends to add unnecessary complexity (in violation of the KISS > principle [1]). > I would agree with this (that it shouldn't be encouraged), but I don't think the Handbook is encouraging it now, as it is written.. >> As per the documentation itself, Code Listing 2.1 is i believe an >> example of what is possible, not what we are encouraging users to do. >> That doc seems pretty clear that the default is partitioning scheme is >> the default /boot,/,swap ... > > Why should our main installation docs mention a configuration that the > vast majority of our users (all?) would be better off without? > You'd have to talk to the original authors to confirm but I believe this would be to illustrate the possibilities and give users info that will let them think about their partitioning scheme, instead of telling them what to do. Essentially, to introduce and educate about partitions and filesystems. (it is the Gentoo Handbook, not the Gentoo Quick Install Howto, after all) > What's the benefit of having /usr on a separate partition anyway? I think that's covered rather generically in the guide -- different fs type, won't run out of space on / if /usr fills up, different mount options (ie, mounting ROOT ro and /usr rw); and of course if /usr is on separate physical media (ie, a nice big RAID, while / is on, say, a small SSD). ----- Support/implementation discussion ----- > ... If people want that, I think it's perfectly > reasonable to expect them to use either an initramfs or a simple linuxrc > approach [2] to ensure that /usr is mounted before init starts. ...this would make sense, although in terms of "support" i think it would be appropriate that we would provide this linuxrc wrapper on any init system that needs /usr mounted.