From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RFWTe-0000ps-J5 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:34:30 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B11D421C099; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E1321C067 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.26.4] (ip98-164-193-252.oc.oc.cox.net [98.164.193.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zmedico) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6EFE91B400F for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E9B319F.9020308@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 12:33:51 -0700 From: Zac Medico User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111001 Thunderbird/7.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev References: <20111012044023.GA8203@waltdnes.org> <1318518871.3885.3.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> <20111013180547.4973defa@googlemail.com> <4416149.yvcg9DIAd9@pc> <4E994AEF.5030002@mailstation.de> <4E9A0414.7030603@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: fe17abe1773f3f9dde44c77b2604b6f6 On 10/16/2011 06:07 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Zac Medico wrote: >> >> I don't think it's a good idea for Gentoo to encourage users to have >> /usr on a separate partition. We should probably remove the separate >> /usr partition from "Code Listing 2.1: Filesystem usage example" in our >> handbook: >> >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=4#doc_chap2_pre1 >> > > Well, if we want to do that then we should also update: > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86+raid+lvm2-quickinstall.xml > > Of course - that is an initramfs-less configuration, and such a thing > would be nearly impossible to do with /usr on root unless you > basically don't put anything of value on the LVM volumes in the first > place. You could put everything but /boot on LVM and then use an > initramfs. Or, you need to cover mounting /usr, /var, etc from the > initramfs. > > And I don't think it is a good idea to NOT have a supported RAID/LVM > configuration. That is hardly an edge case... If those LVM volumes require userspace tools to mount, then I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect them to use either an initramfs or a simple linuxrc approach [1] to ensure that /usr is mounted before init starts. [1] http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_20749880f5bc5feda141488498729fe8.xml -- Thanks, Zac