From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RDeun-00072a-HL for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:10:49 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 971EDE0671; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF12E05A5 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.168.169] (dyn-199-173-dsl.vsp.fi [83.146.199.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ssuominen) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1955B1B402E for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E946A59.4060808@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:10:01 +0300 From: Samuli Suominen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111005 Thunderbird/7.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush References: <4E900E3E.2070202@gentoo.org> <4E905C48.20008@gentoo.org> <20111008151336.GN704@gentoo.org> <4E91CDE7.8060201@gentoo.org> <1318311523.21990.35.camel@tablet> In-Reply-To: <1318311523.21990.35.camel@tablet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 05c3b7423da84520f29ca3d5e9e40d2c On 10/11/2011 08:38 AM, Peter Volkov wrote: > =D0=92 =D0=92=D1=81=D0=BA, 09/10/2011 =D0=B2 22:28 +0000, Duncan =D0=BF= =D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: >> Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n posted on Sun, 09 Oct 2011 1= 8:37:59 +0200 as >> excerpted: >> >>> Duncan schrieb: >>>> Libpng isn't held up that way, while the package still gets its 30 d= ay >>>> masking last-rites. No policy broken; no maintainer toes stepped on= as >>>> a result of the broken policy. No more nasty threads about (this) >>>> broken policy and unhappy maintainers as a result! =3D:^) >>> >>> Actually removing a package that doesn't violate any (written) rules >>> without maintainer consensus could be considered a violation of polic= y >>> too. >>> >>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/recruiters/mentor.xml Respect >>> existing maintainers: >>> Never commit when someone else has clear ownership. Never commit on >>> things with unclear ownership until you've tried to clear it up. >=20 > Samuli pretends here to act as a part of QA team (although he is not). > Actually even whiteboard of stabilization bug tells #at _earliest_ 17 > Oct" and thus there is really no sign for rush. This is the case where > QA should voice and either explain why fast stabilization of libpng is > so important or stop policy breakage. That said it became really common > to break our own policies (with no attempts to amend policy). full stop. you are forcing me to bisect the history of pngcrush. in 2007, I grab the package from no-herd: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/media-gfx/pngcrus= h/metadata.xml?r1=3D1.1&r2=3D1.2 then I version bump it and give it to graphics herd to which I'm a team member of: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/media-gfx/pngcrus= h/metadata.xml?r1=3D1.3&r2=3D1.4 at this point everything was still fine. http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/media-gfx/pngcrus= h/metadata.xml?r1=3D1.4&r2=3D1.5 mattst88, NOT member of graphics team claims owner ship on the package without consulting me, or anyone from graphics@ i'm aware of. then he version bumps it to latest, which was okay'ish except the Makefile was not reviewed at all in files/ directory and most of the -D macros were either wrong, or just obsolete. at this point we had pngcrush package of non-subtimal quality with questionable maintainership. notice that graphics is still in the metadata.xml to which i'm still part of. then as member of base-system, I bump libpng and want to push something new for the distribution. pngcrush, the leaf package of graphics@ gets in the way. then I sent a message to mattst88 in Freenode what he wants to do with the situation. never got a reply. masked the package. what does this has to with qa@ team? well, they might be intrested in the non-subtimal commit which skipped the Makefile review, also known as "blind commit" -- otherwise it's none of their business. so no, you don't get to use this as anykind of weapon against me or anyone else involved. - Samuli