From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R5plw-0005TB-Rq for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:09:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5299B21C072; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE0B21C051 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aq7p1h0030b6N64A1q8eV4; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:08:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([76.106.65.35]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aq8v1h00B0leNgC8Pq8x9t; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:08:57 +0000 Message-ID: <4E77F58C.2000904@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:08:12 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr References: <1740055.XA9oyAS8HQ@eve> <4E7252A1.2000300@gentoo.org> <1336457.yNbGUQDlCr@eve> <4E7584E8.2080009@gentoo.org> <20110918144958.6dc836ce@pomiocik.lan> <4E75FFB6.3030600@gentoo.org> <4E76FA06.8000409@gentoo.org> <20110919103355.2e124fd2@pomiocik.lan> <4E7703E6.2060503@gentoo.org> <20110919111057.00b4da6d@pomiocik.lan> <4E771B7D.8050702@gentoo.org> <4E77CDF0.5060404@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig15E0EA3BEB231236E3BDF997" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 5e5b5e90c74735c2df764c6a235c5acc This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig15E0EA3BEB231236E3BDF997 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/19/2011 20:29, Rich Freeman wrote: >=20 > See: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove >=20 > That is some of the rationale for Fedora. It isn't a bad idea both > for destop-oriented and server-oriented setups. It especially makes > sense for a more traditional distro with versioned releases (basicaly > you just drop in a new /usr and you're done minus a few /etc updates - > and if you make /etc nothing but overrides from defaults then it would > itself be almost empty and not need updates much). >=20 > Sure, we're not really planning to do that with Gentoo, but that is > the pressure upstream is under. When you have big distros pushing all > the major projects in a particular direction we need to be really > selective about where we push back. >=20 > The sky isn't falling though - nobody is looking to go out of their > way to break non-root /usr, and we are looking to have a minimal > initramfs even for those cases where it breaks a little. >=20 > Rich Good info, thanks! It definitely seems like something RH is cooking up for future releases o= f RHEL, where their primary customer base is going to be installing cluster= s and a ton of VMs. I understand this, but I still disagree with them push= ing for this to be the default in a way to influence major projects. Regardl= ess if Gentoo goes in that direction or not, if enough core software adopts this, we'll essentially have no choice but to adopt the same. That's what I take issue with -- the whims of a commercial enterprise ultimately deciding, at some possible, future point, what path we take. = In other words, those of us not running cluster farms shouldn't have to chan= ge things, even slightly (like using an initramfs if needed) for those that = do. Linux's greatest asset is its extreme configurability -- a single source= tree can be compiled to run on super computers or cable boxes. And I see yet another reference to MacOS's /System in that link, too... --=20 Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. A= nd our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-bet= ween." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic --------------enig15E0EA3BEB231236E3BDF997 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOd/WNAAoJENsjoH7SXZXjgK0P/25wvbt7EdAfLkTtZGD4sJv2 NQ1jMWp38k2YVZW7yt4JFgNcEYcFH5Z9qrJtLBsBHyWr7SBUaRkl6XatNSotEHcL M0syFiLbW/UlwrGY3z/IJ8O1WkGmOdKhIV8npoxfGKgbpzcMZW3SPwqAt1qAnKOr PlbDx3Jv8teqCWmc3nXUbjgAzHIJoe4oHPE4khKFqqfW9TSNLjd/dtppZmvi0TD3 he2SYs3+7Bmr2UGdqTT6KAH6aKWc2Grs3Zgi1LLLBT6NTc1VuBc3te9zt92Mia/N wMwWNtrfgZkKi3zlN1SkAXcpDnKY+HY4gsycBJNgnM5bPr11YVUWYfIoo2ogtQHx GXH8+QUd+TvCer+OIlqL5IlSnvtLUW3KCMZllUboSUv9jJVQQBfkrQhpemCYg+55 8J58s7ZWBeDMk40OuOUdlneXY8XTS9NrQ9uA7SlFuzxIKmPDSpuOp88NPBK1tuKt RXheQOyLKcefgN02byGEvP/FoXbNqwq9jOLAQkeLNTx5rvsEFQzv69hT7h0rYZ4d g8nHBoAgd0kYQk6kWrVv8Ofphb0cROe3w5Qfaoa6onLKE0a/DnUP1uXwd34+vM0X mHGpap5nE3++u/6kXTah9hTZzSZ3CWDCSw1AsNuIZWretmidp7mpIhgshR8hHlIP DeW/T6BybzA0vh3HUeZZ =KtoN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig15E0EA3BEB231236E3BDF997--