From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R5nDm-0001rH-DW for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:25:54 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 802D121C1FE; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F88421C1A4 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id anQQ1h0061GhbT859nRLnb; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:25:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([76.106.65.35]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id anRJ1h00z0leNgC3TnRJh9; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:25:19 +0000 Message-ID: <4E77CF4A.2010501@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:24:58 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr References: <20110918144958.6dc836ce@pomiocik.lan> <4E75FFB6.3030600@gentoo.org> <4E76FA06.8000409@gentoo.org> <20110919103355.2e124fd2@pomiocik.lan> <4E7703E6.2060503@gentoo.org> <20110919111057.00b4da6d@pomiocik.lan> <4E771B7D.8050702@gentoo.org> <20110919173645.GA32211@kroah.com> In-Reply-To: <20110919173645.GA32211@kroah.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig580D3D708185454D4B43F3CE" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 263877a0892cc02c5ab1a1446c18cbae This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig580D3D708185454D4B43F3CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/19/2011 13:36, Greg KH wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 06:37:49AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> On 09/19/2011 05:10, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >> >>> >>> Could we stop putting random stuff in random dirs because 'it will >>> work'? /etc is _SYSCONFDIR_. I don't see how PCI IDs are config at al= l. >> >> >> The best answer is for someone to look into udev and see what it needs= >> exactly from /usr. Does it really need pci.ids? Or is it just the fa= ct >> that random udev rules might rely on a tool/lib in /usr? >=20 > Oh come on people, please do some basic research and read what has been= > posted about this numerous times in the past instead of just guessing. I'll admit that I do need to read more. But it seems this discussion goe= s back a few months and there's no clear starting point on what began this.= I don't always have time to keep tabs on every diverging trend in the Linux= world, so I missed this back when it started. Any references you can poi= nt me to? > And for those udev/systemd haters, you all do know about devtmpfs, > right? If not, {sigh}, I don't even know why I care anymore... I'm not a hater of systemd or udev. I just don't use systemd, because ba= sic init and the OpenRC setup work for my installs. Maybe not everyone's, so= systemd (and others) fill those gaps. With udev, I don't pay a lot of attention to it -- it JustWorks(TM). No need to really fiddle with something that isn't broken. --=20 Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. A= nd our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-bet= ween." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic --------------enig580D3D708185454D4B43F3CE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOd89KAAoJENsjoH7SXZXjVGoP/A+PoddjtiS7Ee3I9d0wWe7G zajFWMFVKR79Pele4k5O5sRIf/i2TyLqBs/3+tGxLZyJjOLkG6Gp+S2bfZPm90gV a0s++tgckAQSP9ikp2+yQCzJ6uzorwWPxWLPsFZJJpwXi3piruqPEaZWwDohahw3 Ld1fw5pmNSfRZjxhyp4J9qWlMskEW+hFaUkIiFE6opeZiPgdrjas47WXPdOGlMG1 pUOgZCzJsMTdhxbou02v+l95RYSzPPg8n9mK7PtYWGPNcMQsmJoZryj54JeeQlXF VoC7+zbNUZVW/Ke9xkq/DBGNgRxss8Ih0qf3G59ZsmpyalMaFU4dSAGXqYJe0/nl e1ptjbjwPbwHHEOBhgE+atOIqesn4F+LyHZBsnZvPwSYeZ/UcN5E9isVlT6aEtzL vQ0Yd/+y3gU6pf90tOpxFvsJK8mxE17BbOJVsskOb0gkcqMkLsGfpBA9yzRaRCio 6Rdr5ZZ5z0ZBnWOPvolVnZssdy9J2kdRaE66qU/IvGWyUf0BAA2dwrMTXC8+Nc4f WxpONDTtIxVEZTYYHvkW3FeqYA62JFrB3R1fm4+1K22D6+ApBJMLs4MAs2ZZzEuM jRlBDGLAWTTny8p81tLUoi93FQFqWQSZxLL6nirQvLxRyeeExtaUDDrGDOG2WA4v PdSzSZUJ5zlaUEPHSF5O =YfBn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig580D3D708185454D4B43F3CE--