From: Joshua Kinard <kumba@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:37:49 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E771B7D.8050702@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110919111057.00b4da6d@pomiocik.lan>
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On 09/19/2011 05:10, Michał Górny wrote:
>
> Could we stop putting random stuff in random dirs because 'it will
> work'? /etc is _SYSCONFDIR_. I don't see how PCI IDs are config at all.
The best answer is for someone to look into udev and see what it needs
exactly from /usr. Does it really need pci.ids? Or is it just the fact
that random udev rules might rely on a tool/lib in /usr?
Former, yes, pci.ids is perfectly valid to go into /etc. It specifies a
mapping of PCI ID numbers to device strings used in udev rules.
In the latter case, maybe rules specifically required for booting up enough
to mount disks need to be isolated into their own file and udev pointed
there, then re-pointed to the bigger file after /usr is made available. If
that is even possible.
Note: I'm brainstorming here. Anyone else?
> As I see it, the simplest solution would be to lay out the minimal
> initramfs contents to rootfs and make it mount /usr and stuff before
> starting actual rc. This should cut all the complaints and possibly let
> us move some stuff back to /usr where it belongs.
Yes, but some of us don't even want to have that initramfs built into our
kernels. And no one, other than freedesktop.org* and a few people on
linux-hotplug-devel*, said everything belongs in /usr. FHS clearly defines
the roles for /, /bin, /sbin, /lib*, /usr, /var, /home, /tmp and the virtual
fses. Plus others.
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
http://marc.info/?l=linux-hotplug&m=131206447302056&w=2
Really, MacOS's filesystem layout is not something anyone in their right
mind should deign to mimic/copy.
--
Joshua Kinard
Gentoo/MIPS
kumba@gentoo.org
4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28
"The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And
our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."
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Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-15 14:33 [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 15:07 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-15 16:04 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 16:27 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-15 20:03 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 20:14 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-15 20:37 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-15 20:45 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2011-09-15 21:24 ` Brian Harring
2011-09-15 20:27 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-15 21:56 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 20:31 ` Robin H. Johnson
2011-09-15 22:05 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 20:34 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-15 22:13 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 22:27 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-16 6:02 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 20:56 ` William Hubbs
2011-09-15 22:17 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 18:29 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-15 20:40 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 20:54 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-15 21:48 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-16 0:32 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-16 7:25 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-16 7:29 ` Robin H. Johnson
2011-09-15 19:31 ` Luca Barbato
2011-09-15 20:33 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-16 4:03 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-09-16 13:59 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-25 6:35 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-25 9:53 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-26 1:32 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-26 1:57 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-26 2:27 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-26 4:35 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-26 2:27 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-25 12:53 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-25 23:16 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2011-09-26 1:37 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-18 5:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Luca Barbato
2011-09-18 12:38 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-18 12:49 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-18 12:59 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-18 14:27 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2011-09-18 14:51 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-18 17:26 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-19 8:15 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-19 8:25 ` Alec Warner
2011-09-19 8:44 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-19 8:33 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-19 8:57 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-19 9:10 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-19 10:30 ` Dale
2011-09-19 10:37 ` Joshua Kinard [this message]
2011-09-19 11:17 ` Arun Raghavan
2011-09-19 23:19 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-20 0:29 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-20 2:08 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-20 2:50 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-20 6:48 ` Fabian Groffen
2011-09-19 17:36 ` Greg KH
2011-09-19 18:00 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-19 21:46 ` Luca Barbato
2011-09-19 22:40 ` Greg KH
2011-09-19 22:57 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-20 3:53 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-19 23:24 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-18 19:27 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-15 19:41 ` Robin H. Johnson
2011-09-15 21:00 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 22:18 ` Robin H. Johnson
2011-09-16 8:36 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-16 18:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-09-17 6:16 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-17 14:10 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-19 8:25 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-17 18:40 ` [gentoo-dev] " Robin H. Johnson
2011-09-18 15:22 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-18 18:14 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-09-18 18:59 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-19 8:03 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-09-19 7:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Joshua Kinard
2011-09-19 8:25 ` Michał Górny
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