From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R5Z1h-0002GN-9x for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:16:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0602F21C3CB; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4961E21C3C6 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aYEW1h0071ZXKqc57YFrVh; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:15:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([76.106.65.35]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aYFq1h00C0leNgC3hYFrMn; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:15:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4E76FA06.8000409@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 04:15:02 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr References: <1740055.XA9oyAS8HQ@eve> <4E7252A1.2000300@gentoo.org> <1336457.yNbGUQDlCr@eve> <4E7584E8.2080009@gentoo.org> <20110918144958.6dc836ce@pomiocik.lan> <4E75FFB6.3030600@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig96840B318468924680006442" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 332d9c916ff6c2f89c34fc019949ab05 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig96840B318468924680006442 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/18/2011 13:26, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >=20 > I don't see how this is relevant to the problem of udev and /usr at > all. Unless you want to go back to the days of devfs and lots of > manual configuration. :) Me either (somewhat). But I do see is this: If udev is going to make it = a requirement that one or more paritions be available at udevd start time, then maybe going back to devfs might not be such a bad idea after all. I use plain vanilla setups on almost any Linux box I build. For x86, LIL= O (yes, that thing), a simple kernel, most hardware built in, some extraneo= us stuff built as modules. sysvinit for the init package, /{usr,home,var,tm= p} on separate partitions, no X11, no gnome, no KDE, no Xfce, no fluxbox, no= IRIS Indigo, no aewm++, no CDE, no DBUS, no audio support (the machine doesn't even have an audio card), headless (except with it messes up, whi= ch is very rare), etc. I.e., I run my box like a server. My MIPS systems (the working ones, anyways) are even more vanilla. I netboot each of them off my x86 box versus using a bootloader, they have what amounts to a minimal Gentoo install, system + plus other utilities, definitely no X11, etc. These setups are pretty much plain vanilla Linux/UNIX setups, and it's wh= at has worked for years, so I don't see a need to change it with a permanenc= e. If other distros want to create alternatives, that is fine. But *I* sho= uld retain the choice to use or not to use those alternatives. That means, u= dev needs to be configurable enough to allow me to make it _not_ require /usr= being available. Let the default be the other way -- that's fine. But if udev upstream is taking *away* choice, and making /usr mandatory (especially if it's because some other distro has this offbeat, utopian, =C3=BCberDesktop concept), then that's a bug and someone needs to write a= patch and send it upstream. --=20 Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. A= nd our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-bet= ween." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic --------------enig96840B318468924680006442 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOdvoHAAoJENsjoH7SXZXj1oAQALfgzVCgVM0O3hJCijlrBiAa PG1jhuoJWNv+d6dFbMlLmN8JPFdpSCJezfMIxcvOgFmqM+VN4NdOMncMtEPLA5kJ d8Skb6Vz2V5ldB/cw5asEFn+Bc2h8IRcbAoHhtWQt9ShNx3BHptZrLeH+t3DqW8Z 1smukNVDGpxbCPkXnylHClpY8VWntv/KjGPC/Pl/st3lR1b2eDmRimS2A4bo6Zi0 f8JvqRK+exkqihZw1xPUkvQoB2L/QTfIocBl2v/pjnb2W9V52e7RPmkOgjNozmGl 9KMPkhpWFE1t5JyG8YHIBo1lJHGfpzi/sEwzzhZ9Q9HEiwfrwoPhlTqiK1cy19cZ rkpqSLl940ez5l7wxj7h6A3VWv4UXYGIa0RGvG5NeKreJjmFCn6yGzlv92uQtDHd GN23s380sa5N4j8llpdk5pqLogyVLzGMIVe7oXKCIRsbXsrnUuwbmWWMvYIBqBkH ptM/g7QANgCYbA+okx2htZ1FmMZmBkepksEGLGq6NXCKrAFGQ0mc2FhgIL7sJw4a 0E5xTN+QzeT1/HaDLv1rHS52GgA4BIF8VHZAyz66lH0yKXk4/Je3sY2Hy+1aJ5OX IFgMjMwJ8fzqV78deEd9VjxoxZ6JseulUA9bfHjtG/l6fTfnxPzWkhlUlWjMF14N al/nByfjznwICH9KKj9o =t9BT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig96840B318468924680006442--