From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QwsLQ-0002jG-Tz for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:04:57 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 326F321C069; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f53.google.com (mail-yw0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C0221C051 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywb5 with SMTP id 5so3503564ywb.40 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:04:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2XbayybjLPPt3kinAUdrfBZQ0dN+Y4jF/Tk1JKjiLCI=; b=aPeiTXDBkMwSkPP4idYZTUDpwxNYuVV5sXvYV1hCLfi1IVa4XINetvKW2FveVwzg4W KLBy7vg6HodN1EkGuD7yb94RHPC3CiFmryAIPHh42C5wSuW6LiTUO3gXsneBsDcb7KM5 XWCE/GCOM/bwVttX9l4Ve5kjcl+KQU1Hm5s/o= Received: by 10.101.156.23 with SMTP id i23mr781571ano.160.1314349455758; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-98-95-151-195.jan.bellsouth.net [98.95.151.195]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l13sm1394925anj.16.2011.08.26.02.04.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E57618B.1070106@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:04:11 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110816 Gentoo/2.0.14-r1 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011 References: <4E54D703.9090806@gentoo.org> <1314269326.2888.0@NeddySeagoon> <4E571097.4040500@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4E571097.4040500@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 5bc5ebe5064b8f8d791e520ed15dd805 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > > I've picked this message as I want to address one point in this thread > that was focused on this sub-thread. > I disagree with the idea that adding an application to the Gentoo tree > that collects data from users and sends it to a central (or distributed) > system is the same as adding any other application to the tree. > Having the ability to add ebuilds to the tree is part of what you gain > by getting gentoo-x86 access. Issues with significant users privacy > concerns and substantial changes like adding packages to the tree that > collect data from users and compile it, should not be at the discretion > of individual developers but be subject of global policies that should > take into account the legal ramifications (trustees) and reflect the > developers desire and goals (council). > > - -- > Regards, > > Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org > Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng > Just picking a message to reply to at random here. Sorry Jorge, I thought common sense would kick in way before now. As a user, if ANY distro starts collecting data about me without my consent, I would be looking for something else to use. For people to even think that users want someone snooping on them is rather presumptuous. I have to also agree with the legal problems as well. Doing this without the users consent is going to lead to a huge legal mess. It would also taint Gentoo and Linux in general if this were to happen. Anyone who thinks it won't needs to talk to a lawyer and some common folks really soon. As a user, if this was done without my consent, saying I would be pissed would be to mild a term but one I am willing to use on a public forum. As a example, I have DirecTv. It has no connection other than the satellite cable. No telephone or anything. I don't want them snooping on what I watch on TV either. I also don't care to have Gentoo collecting data on what I use or other data either. If I wanted that, I could just use M$ stuff. I would expect such things from them and the huge EULA they have. Back to my hole. Dale :-) :-)