[gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-misc/dhcpv6

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-misc/dhcpv6

[Markos Chandras]

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# Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (10 Jul 2011)
# Dead upstream. Bugs #353788 and #348232
# Alternatives:
# net-misc/dibbler
# net-misc/dhcp[ipv6]
# Masked for removal in 30 days
net-misc/dhcpv6

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-misc/dhcpv6

[Joshua Saddler]

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On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:05:42 +0300
Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:

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> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (10 Jul 2011)
> # Dead upstream. Bugs #353788 and #348232
> # Alternatives:
> # net-misc/dibbler
> # net-misc/dhcp[ipv6]
> # Masked for removal in 30 days
> net-misc/dhcpv6

Not cool. For a few reasons:

1. I had to delete significant sections of the ipv6 guide tonight,
since there's no documentation for these alternatives. Now there's
nothing on running an ipv6 dhcp server or client.

2. There are no more stable dhcp/ipv6 packages in the tree. This
sucks, both for users that run stable, and for the documentation,
since we're only supposed to cover stable packages.

- - net-misc/dhcp doesn't get +ipv6 unless you emerge the ~arch version
4.x, and even then, there is NO documentation included on how to use
it with ipv6.

- - net-misc/dibbler only has ~arch and hardmasked versions available.

Can anyone lend the GDP a hand and get us a couple of paragraphs on
how to configure a dhcp/ipv6 server and client, similar to what we
had in the guide? Ideally with a stable package, or maybe the
maintainers could stabilize their ~arch alternatives.

I hate to use Markos' Last Rites email as a jumping off point, but
it's these kinds of removals, the kind that shaft our users and
documentation maintainers, that make me throw up my hands in
frustration and take another step toward retirement. Markos, I'm not
singling you out; this has been going on for a long time now, with
many, many current and former developers: package maintainers
almost *never* look at the docs or contact the GDP when going through
package removals. I would like this to change. :)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-misc/dhcpv6

[Markos Chandras]

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On 15/07/2011 09:02 πμ, Joshua Saddler wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:05:42 +0300
> Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
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>> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (10 Jul 2011)
>> # Dead upstream. Bugs #353788 and #348232
>> # Alternatives:
>> # net-misc/dibbler
>> # net-misc/dhcp[ipv6]
>> # Masked for removal in 30 days
>> net-misc/dhcpv6
> 
> Not cool. For a few reasons:
> 
> 1. I had to delete significant sections of the ipv6 guide tonight,
> since there's no documentation for these alternatives. Now there's
> nothing on running an ipv6 dhcp server or client.

Which documentation are you referring to?
> 
> 2. There are no more stable dhcp/ipv6 packages in the tree. This
> sucks, both for users that run stable, and for the documentation,
> since we're only supposed to cover stable packages.

dhcpv6 has no stable keywords
> 
> - net-misc/dhcp doesn't get +ipv6 unless you emerge the ~arch version
> 4.x, and even then, there is NO documentation included on how to use
> it with ipv6.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374445
> 
> - net-misc/dibbler only has ~arch and hardmasked versions available.
> 
True. I was to request stabilization as well.

> Can anyone lend the GDP a hand and get us a couple of paragraphs on
> how to configure a dhcp/ipv6 server and client, similar to what we
> had in the guide? Ideally with a stable package, or maybe the
> maintainers could stabilize their ~arch alternatives.
> 
> I hate to use Markos' Last Rites email as a jumping off point, but
> it's these kinds of removals, the kind that shaft our users and
> documentation maintainers, that make me throw up my hands in
> frustration and take another step toward retirement. Markos, I'm not
> singling you out; this has been going on for a long time now, with
> many, many current and former developers: package maintainers
> almost *never* look at the docs or contact the GDP when going through
> package removals. I would like this to change. :)

I can keep this package in the tree long enough until there is an
alternative documentation available. My point is not to frustrate users
but to "force" them migrate to better alternatives. Moreover, remember
that the dhcpv6 upstream is dead and dhcp[ipv6] is the official
alternative. I don't quite see the point in supporting dhcpv6 anymore.

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-misc/dhcpv6

[Joshua Saddler]

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:59:29 +0300
Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (10 Jul 2011)
> >> # Dead upstream. Bugs #353788 and #348232
> >> # Alternatives:
> >> # net-misc/dibbler
> >> # net-misc/dhcp[ipv6]
> >> # Masked for removal in 30 days
> >> net-misc/dhcpv6
> > 
> > Not cool. For a few reasons:
> > 
> > 1. I had to delete significant sections of the ipv6 guide tonight,
> > since there's no documentation for these alternatives. Now there's
> > nothing on running an ipv6 dhcp server or client.
> 
> Which documentation are you referring to?

Sorry; meant to include the URI: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ipv6.xml

> dhcpv6 has no stable keywords

Really? I thought it did. Then that's something the GDP should have
noticed when we initially added that section to the guide.

> True. I was to request stabilization as well.

Thanks.

> I can keep this package in the tree long enough until there is an
> alternative documentation available. My point is not to frustrate
> users but to "force" them migrate to better alternatives. Moreover,
> remember that the dhcpv6 upstream is dead and dhcp[ipv6] is the
> official alternative. I don't quite see the point in supporting
> dhcpv6 anymore.

I don't like the idea of keeping a dead package around, either. My
main issue is that there's no documentation on using ipv6 configs
with net-misc/dhcp, so I have nothing to add to the guide.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-misc/dhcpv6

[Markos Chandras]

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On 16/07/2011 02:41 πμ, Joshua Saddler wrote:
> 
>> I can keep this package in the tree long enough until there is an
>> alternative documentation available. My point is not to frustrate
>> users but to "force" them migrate to better alternatives. Moreover,
>> remember that the dhcpv6 upstream is dead and dhcp[ipv6] is the
>> official alternative. I don't quite see the point in supporting
>> dhcpv6 anymore.
> 
> I don't like the idea of keeping a dead package around, either. My
> main issue is that there's no documentation on using ipv6 configs
> with net-misc/dhcp, so I have nothing to add to the guide.

Give me sometime and I will create a patch for this document. I have
only used net-misc/dibbler for my ipv6 network ( I am not sure how
net-misc/dhcp[ipv6] works yet ) so I hope that is fine for you

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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