* [gentoo-dev] More bugzilla restrictions should be applied to normal users @ 2011-05-12 20:19 Markos Chandras 2011-05-12 23:57 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Markos Chandras @ 2011-05-12 20:19 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 424 bytes --] Hi, Quite a lot of users tend to change bugzilla fields without even understand why they are doing it. Would it be possible to restrict users from touching the following fields? - Importance - Severity - CCing arches on their own (!) - Blocks - Keywords - <...> How do you feel about that? Does bugzilla allow such restrictions? Regards, -- Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 836 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] More bugzilla restrictions should be applied to normal users 2011-05-12 20:19 [gentoo-dev] More bugzilla restrictions should be applied to normal users Markos Chandras @ 2011-05-12 23:57 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto 2011-05-13 0:39 ` Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) 2011-05-13 10:10 ` Markos Chandras 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto @ 2011-05-12 23:57 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Markos. On 12-05-2011 20:19, Markos Chandras wrote: > Hi, > > Quite a lot of users tend to change bugzilla fields without even > understand why they are doing it. Would it be possible to restrict users > from touching the following fields? > > - Importance > - Severity > - CCing arches on their own (!) > - Blocks > - Keywords > - <...> > > How do you feel about that? Does bugzilla allow such restrictions? I think we should trust our users. Some might feel tempted to "test all the buttons", but I'm sure the majority will just try to fill a bug report the best way they know how. This topic has been raised a few times in the past and as far as I can recall there never was a consensus about it. In any case, as pointed out before, some developers want users to be able to CC them on bugs, at least on some bugs, informed users can have a good idea about the importance and or severity of a bug and in general being more open can provide a more inviting environment for users to look at and or contribute to Gentoo. Finally, whenever a user abuses bugzilla, you can poke bugzilla admins, userrel and a few others to look at and take care of it. Some of us can go as far as locking users accounts - feel free to poke me if that need ever arises. > Regards, - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNzHPmAAoJEC8ZTXQF1qEPWRwP/iDSLgm9K5htBo3Pw/p4l4De vjSepG+8JXbv7T/cI4b1f9WxHPiu4hFslrdPlj/knZw7jqlb5McMWYzB8/SnoRMc CKKEryXS2EO4QapBeNMd6RD1P6+qh+rrhyRxHQw4rR0ewIt0yE63jkUIPILIfRzc +iNCabIs0q4Wm2mKJR3CyRiEw5la22iJW3z3Y+QIIpe93RqvzRJta9/MGrZc2LjT /rlmqHoKw7ntoB343F0yy7VqqSdmPPZGsxmOMmGihqTcfq/7a0j6QJlzJnKy2x3w A8gLuuqeZ7T7I4zztOWb3ZJ+lPNqa2eB+nId1cmYYVLkxHMPGtMqfSy74Tvdr0/0 8v9FcRPxF+fJmuDW1+0RtvrIk6J14047KxTyeU0qLvJxqrwL/0cPTZO3MUZ++MdZ Kt6YROATwt17dCNy5Uw0MVgraYzLrrjfSwLExvU6R94FI24A4Wuop506AOHUyp4S uZh8ukh/lG1dCBic7f4Nd4qpMcVtanZPHtK9YaNzfnfx1xfphiR9/Z6LKumnsLIm aMjQFXXoJ+sHimaiBnxr6JA2cqiAzbjODVZIqVsIoNMBKeMyJcwUrsJcnYOE2p/i 2E4mPqtvYj5SH5lG5ISe74d0Am23xBe/slL0ugRjfN06RL74MYDXmxcQwMQp+VC0 36/PbzTyYj4SUaqm+tmt =Xt5T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] More bugzilla restrictions should be applied to normal users 2011-05-12 23:57 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto @ 2011-05-13 0:39 ` Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) 2011-05-13 10:10 ` Markos Chandras 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) @ 2011-05-13 0:39 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1935 bytes --] El 13/05/11 01:57, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto escribió: > Hi Markos. > > On 12-05-2011 20:19, Markos Chandras wrote: > > Hi, > > > Quite a lot of users tend to change bugzilla fields without even > > understand why they are doing it. Would it be possible to restrict users > > from touching the following fields? > > > - Importance > > - Severity Never knew if these fields are really used. Anyway I have seen them been resetted a few times and users usually don't touch them then. > > - CCing arches on their own (!) They can still manually add them I think ;) > > - Blocks I at least use that to let users easily report bugs on Hardened docs, and maybe others do too > > - Keywords Yeah this one maybe needs being blocked. > > How do you feel about that? Does bugzilla allow such restrictions? > > I think we should trust our users. Some might feel tempted to "test all > the buttons", but I'm sure the majority will just try to fill a bug > report the best way they know how. > This topic has been raised a few times in the past and as far as I can > recall there never was a consensus about it. In any case, as pointed out > before, some developers want users to be able to CC them on bugs, at > least on some bugs, informed users can have a good idea about the > importance and or severity of a bug and in general being more open can > provide a more inviting environment for users to look at and or > contribute to Gentoo. > Finally, whenever a user abuses bugzilla, you can poke bugzilla admins, > userrel and a few others to look at and take care of it. Some of us can > go as far as locking users accounts - feel free to poke me if that need > ever arises. I'd just like to add that usually a simple warning when users don't do things properly suffices, I recall receiving one from Tommy[D] regarding the use of CCing and after that I didn't do evil deeds with it again. klondike [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 262 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] More bugzilla restrictions should be applied to normal users 2011-05-12 23:57 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto 2011-05-13 0:39 ` Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) @ 2011-05-13 10:10 ` Markos Chandras 2011-05-13 11:59 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Markos Chandras @ 2011-05-13 10:10 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1970 bytes --] On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:57:26PM +0000, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Markos. > > On 12-05-2011 20:19, Markos Chandras wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Quite a lot of users tend to change bugzilla fields without even > > understand why they are doing it. Would it be possible to restrict users > > from touching the following fields? > > > > - Importance > > - Severity > > - CCing arches on their own (!) > > - Blocks > > - Keywords > > - <...> > > > > How do you feel about that? Does bugzilla allow such restrictions? > > I think we should trust our users. Some might feel tempted to "test all > the buttons", but I'm sure the majority will just try to fill a bug > report the best way they know how. It is not a matter of trust. If you trust them, then blocking access to these fields shouldn't be a problem anyway. > This topic has been raised a few times in the past and as far as I can > recall there never was a consensus about it. In any case, as pointed out > before, some developers want users to be able to CC them on bugs, at > least on some bugs, informed users can have a good idea about the > importance and or severity of a bug and in general being more open can > provide a more inviting environment for users to look at and or > contribute to Gentoo. First of all, I said "Ccing Arches". Of course they should be allowed to CC anyone, but ccing arches creates too much noise for us and quite a lot of them do not understand the purpose of arch alias. > Finally, whenever a user abuses bugzilla, you can poke bugzilla admins, > userrel and a few others to look at and take care of it. Some of us can > go as far as locking users accounts - feel free to poke me if that need > ever arises. > > > Regards, > How is this solution more elegant than the one I proposed? :) Regards, -- Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 836 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] More bugzilla restrictions should be applied to normal users 2011-05-13 10:10 ` Markos Chandras @ 2011-05-13 11:59 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto 2011-05-20 8:40 ` Thomas Kahle 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto @ 2011-05-13 11:59 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 13-05-2011 10:10, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:57:26PM +0000, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: ... >> This topic has been raised a few times in the past and as far as I can >> recall there never was a consensus about it. In any case, as pointed out >> before, some developers want users to be able to CC them on bugs, at >> least on some bugs, informed users can have a good idea about the >> importance and or severity of a bug and in general being more open can >> provide a more inviting environment for users to look at and or >> contribute to Gentoo. > First of all, I said "Ccing Arches". Of course they should be allowed to > CC anyone, but ccing arches creates too much noise for us and quite a > lot of them do not understand the purpose of arch alias. I failed to notice you were talking about arches, sorry about that. >> Finally, whenever a user abuses bugzilla, you can poke bugzilla admins, >> userrel and a few others to look at and take care of it. Some of us can >> go as far as locking users accounts - feel free to poke me if that need >> ever arises. >> >>> Regards, >> > How is this solution more elegant than the one I proposed? :) All I'm saying is that we already have tools to deal with users that abuse bugzilla and we've used them before when needed. > Regards, On 13-05-2011 00:39, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote: > El 13/05/11 01:57, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto escribió: >> Finally, whenever a user abuses bugzilla, you can poke bugzilla admins, >> userrel and a few others to look at and take care of it. Some of us can >> go as far as locking users accounts - feel free to poke me if that need >> ever arises. > I'd just like to add that usually a simple warning when users don't do > things properly suffices, I recall receiving one from Tommy[D] regarding > the use of CCing and after that I didn't do evil deeds with it again. > > klondike Francisco, thank you for mentioning this. When talking about users abusing bugzilla I was talking about users that repeatedly have a bad behaviour and that ignore warnings and or requests from developers. - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNzR0QAAoJEC8ZTXQF1qEPD0gP/1UXW8nKwZZJbXDo5GNwwWqT g3WDnTZzoot/1tN/u2ar4fm8mCEFiEY+J3X9jmBeIN/IhOcPduNX4gIenyPWylIp +179STN5xoRcdQjSCRBWTz5WamnCGMkCX1QqIKDTUQ/N4weA+BOGCBqo3ZLbsYJ6 Ek/QdhgbheL8o90RUSwalsngCgNk30/53sjVHu48F88N3NbJtdmhvj0pxM16Ds6Q 6Wyl7m7Y+72W+XIsAytmDHP7f9UaBR4WO8vDvXHHceHkJ8ovHxofm6l1UQ6DsqUh oPKLTk2D9tD3fZPf0oVYyZWgFdbdx/glz8VRDqzQylhWhyDB/VuetTCEf0IEl61f BiBQ7Z4wka5TsmBNDIla3xJosZQOfwVvry4javxSRvCbYZntdpEeSsKDTSb4tjt0 5dI/evC3sool0oUAuxxOE+sX4a8fpl5qAvIIjXFZhOCDrPaWBQe50VxNMNGOTmu2 8sSgz6GmoFFMcizPGxP6PKEzFh4rDmT724ZUZ1tj0vARcyQcpq0jLnBIQFWhq/vh 7aFArhK+xBA6EIrSm3UUkcBGP+rUVmDo1vs6vl4FeZDY2/epvQGPHR+NLZVliHTE M9jrwnJuGSFPVjtriYVmTExkRTH/dDYZd5adkOASSvptpH6/5z056r6g4eBpoqmv Ttutf3QCSGFXseHLFZLq =3hVB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] More bugzilla restrictions should be applied to normal users 2011-05-13 11:59 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto @ 2011-05-20 8:40 ` Thomas Kahle 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Thomas Kahle @ 2011-05-20 8:40 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3844 bytes --] On 11:59 Fri 13 May , Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 13-05-2011 10:10, Markos Chandras wrote: > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:57:26PM +0000, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > ... > >> This topic has been raised a few times in the past and as far as I can > >> recall there never was a consensus about it. In any case, as pointed out > >> before, some developers want users to be able to CC them on bugs, at > >> least on some bugs, informed users can have a good idea about the > >> importance and or severity of a bug and in general being more open can > >> provide a more inviting environment for users to look at and or > >> contribute to Gentoo. > > First of all, I said "Ccing Arches". Of course they should be allowed to > > CC anyone, but ccing arches creates too much noise for us and quite a > > lot of them do not understand the purpose of arch alias. > > I failed to notice you were talking about arches, sorry about that. > > >> Finally, whenever a user abuses bugzilla, you can poke bugzilla admins, > >> userrel and a few others to look at and take care of it. Some of us can > >> go as far as locking users accounts - feel free to poke me if that need > >> ever arises. > >> > >>> Regards, > >> > > How is this solution more elegant than the one I proposed? :) > > All I'm saying is that we already have tools to deal with users that > abuse bugzilla and we've used them before when needed. +1 From time to time I see users that CC x86 because they run into a bug on their x86-box. I've never seen a user doing that again after informing them, so no problem here. On the other hand I see a benefit of openness. So +1 for keeping everything as it is. Cheers, Thomas > > > Regards, > > On 13-05-2011 00:39, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote: > > El 13/05/11 01:57, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto escribió: > >> Finally, whenever a user abuses bugzilla, you can poke bugzilla admins, > >> userrel and a few others to look at and take care of it. Some of us can > >> go as far as locking users accounts - feel free to poke me if that need > >> ever arises. > > I'd just like to add that usually a simple warning when users don't do > > things properly suffices, I recall receiving one from Tommy[D] regarding > > the use of CCing and after that I didn't do evil deeds with it again. > > > > klondike > > Francisco, thank you for mentioning this. > When talking about users abusing bugzilla I was talking about users that > repeatedly have a bad behaviour and that ignore warnings and or requests > from developers. > > - -- > Regards, > > Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org > Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNzR0QAAoJEC8ZTXQF1qEPD0gP/1UXW8nKwZZJbXDo5GNwwWqT > g3WDnTZzoot/1tN/u2ar4fm8mCEFiEY+J3X9jmBeIN/IhOcPduNX4gIenyPWylIp > +179STN5xoRcdQjSCRBWTz5WamnCGMkCX1QqIKDTUQ/N4weA+BOGCBqo3ZLbsYJ6 > Ek/QdhgbheL8o90RUSwalsngCgNk30/53sjVHu48F88N3NbJtdmhvj0pxM16Ds6Q > 6Wyl7m7Y+72W+XIsAytmDHP7f9UaBR4WO8vDvXHHceHkJ8ovHxofm6l1UQ6DsqUh > oPKLTk2D9tD3fZPf0oVYyZWgFdbdx/glz8VRDqzQylhWhyDB/VuetTCEf0IEl61f > BiBQ7Z4wka5TsmBNDIla3xJosZQOfwVvry4javxSRvCbYZntdpEeSsKDTSb4tjt0 > 5dI/evC3sool0oUAuxxOE+sX4a8fpl5qAvIIjXFZhOCDrPaWBQe50VxNMNGOTmu2 > 8sSgz6GmoFFMcizPGxP6PKEzFh4rDmT724ZUZ1tj0vARcyQcpq0jLnBIQFWhq/vh > 7aFArhK+xBA6EIrSm3UUkcBGP+rUVmDo1vs6vl4FeZDY2/epvQGPHR+NLZVliHTE > M9jrwnJuGSFPVjtriYVmTExkRTH/dDYZd5adkOASSvptpH6/5z056r6g4eBpoqmv > Ttutf3QCSGFXseHLFZLq > =3hVB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- Thomas Kahle http://dev.gentoo.org/~tomka/ [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 316 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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