From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QJuDk-00027L-Ly for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 10 May 2011 21:11:56 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9075A1C0AC; Tue, 10 May 2011 21:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.aoaforums.com (www.aoaforums.com [174.123.188.106]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57031C09A for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 21:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.aoaforums.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECC112D069 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 21:10:59 +0000 (GMT) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 mail.aoaforums.com 4ECC112D069 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=giz-works.com; s=20080229-giz-works-com; t=1305061859; bh=M1LLNlkQ4cXmM3aeYBqRBtNYLVg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cMuE3pJ5wjgazVQz//ASUqGghJUK8D0bCaBJhzW5fDyLHceGTpC91T/zk9K+l1OEh 6H77CC96WG8vcntx5PMulf7kTUOtK1LDbRgL3vCPDldXQXFE5YjSWBXDupTW17brwF uZq000TwPtJLQHB/F+JzEGnjoQb1OxJiSejEEmQk= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at aoaforums.com Received: from mail.aoaforums.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aoaforums.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HOe3KrMvUH6w for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 21:10:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.0.0.11] (adsl-75-34-81-50.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net [75.34.81.50]) by mail.aoaforums.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BD7BD81AF for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 21:10:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4DC9A9E1.2020601@giz-works.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:10:57 -0500 From: Chris Richards User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110428 Fedora/3.1.10-1.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.10 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Automatic testing on Gentoo References: <4DC99C77.1050105@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4DC99C77.1050105@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: a6282792055ff5163bee22ed6b7bec56 On 05/10/2011 03:13 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > So, why "more testing"? For starters, more *automatic* testing. Then > more testing as reports from testing can help greatly in identifying > when things break and why they break. As someone that looks over the > automatic stage building for amd64 and x86, and that has to talk to > teams / developers when things break, having more, more in depth and > regular automatic testing would help my (releng) job. While I agree whole-heartedly with the sentiment being expressed here, I just want to point out and remind everyone that automated testing is no substitute for real live people using (and breaking) things. People are remarkably inventive and creative when it comes to finding ways to break things in ways that the developers never even considered. All I'm trying to say is that I've seen (and worked on) far too many teams in the past that fell into the trap of thinking automated testing was sufficient. It isn't, but it certainly goes a long way towards helping make the manual tester's lives better, by letting them focus on finding those problems that aren't (for one reason or another) reproducible in an automated testing scenario. Later, Chris