From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QG9tU-0006Vu-11 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:07:32 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 13ECE1C0DB; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7C41C0D7 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (c-75-72-21-149.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [75.72.21.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: darkside) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B96912AC042 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4DBC095D.1030902@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:06:37 -0500 From: Jeremy Olexa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110324 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.9 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc portage news item References: <20110413181538.GA2894@linux1> <20110421011221.GA1736@eee> <201104221239.11593.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <20110429184135.GA20648@hrair> <20110430021950.GC6032@linux1> <20110430045945.GB20648@hrair> <20110430114643.GC20648@hrair> <20110430125842.GD20648@hrair> In-Reply-To: <20110430125842.GD20648@hrair> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: ffed60cd229d549dbdb0a60af4ca1689 On 04/30/2011 07:58 AM, Brian Harring wrote: > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 08:03:43AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > Frankly getting fairly annoyed people are immediately taking it to > the rhel/ubuntu extremes- that is *not* what I asked and is frankly > a strawman argument. Occasional pain on upgrades is a given in > gentoo, although anyone claiming we've not kept an eye on those sharp > corners is delusional (versioned eapi, etc-update's very existance, > portage warning on removal of a pkg in the system set, the list goes > on). Hell, even the notification mechanism y'all want to use for > informing is an example of trying to soften those corners were > possible, rather than precluding their existance. > > I asked if we had looked at scripting away some of the upgrade pains. This openrc upgrade is the *least* painful Gentoo upgrade I have experienced. What a waste of time (IMO) to "script" some defaults. -Jeremy > > It's a pretty simple fucking question requiring either a 5 second > "no" or 5 minutes of "yes, heres what we looked at, they were deemed > too painful". Answering that also is a helluva lot quicker then > people trading barbs over "we need to release it now" or proper SA; > while your retort was dead on for what folks should do, it was > completely unrelated to answering the question I'm *asking*. > > If we didn't look into it, that's fine. Means I've got something to > poke at over the weekend. > > If we did, and it was ruled out, awesome, I have other things on my > todo list I'll poke at this weekend. > > ~harring