From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QAPAS-0001je-Lu for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:13:17 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1357C1C05D; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f181.google.com (mail-gx0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FDB1C019 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so1145428gxk.40 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:12:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7vYHBseiYPfXi9MXn3xazOm6xwE61982Hw+6L9zLO6o=; b=hKxnse8G6OiIWPQrglumiuPjGIFijJHHDOrLU4nU1YjbjDzYKqgESb2leyUyTkpy6U yXREJQnh1zOhUzSeMEtEC1VPnRYY5tUKr8TLopPQSUj7hvk9rgFwskvb5ZBca55LyimH 7byy5tLzx7u3CQWXIIQztetL34O1KuANbjoYM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JX/ytnRiqtplrte3cAZtYJgphcNEiwSktrt9NdNHyCInm00nzurNkO3zGO87D18aw2 je3lIBWj7AAg4rbh50F0Fr1Lcx515KG2Y2dbR4mzty0hls/mvPHpqS4Cfu7NoQJ33Eys ulpLKRtNO3yG4aNza1TjPZtdJdBUnTbRpzkG0= Received: by 10.90.16.30 with SMTP id 30mr1800613agp.148.1302797551953; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-0-118-199.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.118.199]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x32sm1770730ana.38.2011.04.14.09.12.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DA71CED.1030601@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:12:29 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.18) Gecko/20110325 Gentoo/2.0.13 SeaMonkey/2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc portage news item References: <20110413181538.GA2894@linux1> <20110413195647.GA3116@linux1> <4DA68664.8090104@gentoo.org> <4DA70861.1060909@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 45b50a85323d8dad8345cf6e4f75c282 Matthew Summers wrote: > Hi, > > I have a few suggestions regarding this major change to Gentoo systems. > > 1. We should determine and then announce the precise date (appears to > be in May) and time that baselayout-2 will be stabilized via: > 1.1 A front page News item on www.g.o (PR team assemble!), > 1.2 The main MLs (gentoo-announce, gentoo-users, etc), > 1.3 Add a link to the www news item to /topic in #gentoo, and > 1.4 Post a sticky topic in the Forum. > all in addition to the eselect news item under discussion here. The > above would link to the migration guide too. > > The rationale for this effort at getting the word out is to prevent > users from hosing their system(s). While I tend to agree that users > should read these eselect news items, its often not the case. > Therefore I recommend shooting for the widest possible distribution of > this information. Also, this gives PR a chance to let the world know > about openrc and its benefits to Gentoo. > > 2. We should prepare a quick "recover-your-system" guide (could also > create a script too) that can be quickly linked to for user support. > This will save time for people providing support via IRC, email, etc, > and give people a reasonable means of system recovery without huge > pain. > > 3. Update the handbook to reflect these changes as soon as possible, > and have that all go public simultaneously with the stabilization. > > 4. I have attached an edited and unfinished version of the original > news item for review. I attempted to be succinct. > > This is a really exciting and potentially also rather > anxiety-provoking change for our user base and Gentoo. We all know > that the new baselayout is awesome, and users will find out soon > enough. We simply need to make our best effort at easing the > transition so we minimize the number of casualties. > > Thank you, > Matt > I wouldn't mind seeing this on the main Gentoo page as soon as possible. Some people may not visit the Gentoo page very often, I'm one of those. This could be done even if it has to be changed as things update. Maybe one that it is coming and one a few days before it hits stable in the tree. +1 on this being a good idea. This is a really important update since it can cause a system to be unbootable. I'm thinking about folks that may admin a box remotely too. If all the above is done and people miss that it is coming, I think it could safely be said that everything that could be done was done to inform people. The list above includes about every means of communication Gentoo has. Great post. Dale :-) :-)