From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OkJHj-0002pE-1F for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:08:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3ABFEE0931; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A42E0931 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw.thefreemanclan.net ([unknown] [96.245.231.248]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L7500E8VGTFZH10@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:08:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (rich.homedns.org [192.168.0.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw.thefreemanclan.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CD331759E56 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4C66BF60.8050902@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:08:00 -0400 From: Richard Freeman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100727 Thunderbird/3.1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in media-libs/mlt: ChangeLog mlt-0.5.4-r1.ebuild References: <20100806212139.9E8422CE15@corvid.gentoo.org> <201008141637.04507.aballier@gentoo.org> <20100814140038.GB4529@Mystical> <201008141720.39003.aballier@gentoo.org> <20100814142944.GA15913@Mystical> In-reply-to: <20100814142944.GA15913@Mystical> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: c7070036-c646-4ce1-bdaf-d88df42241ff X-Archives-Hash: b1d1d1ac9935144e7dd78ed1e80a3eca On 08/14/2010 10:29 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > So do I. Fixing your package and you don't even bother to send a *ready= to go* patch > upstream seems like a bit rude to me as well. Perhaps, we do have a com= plete > different point of view in this one. > Recent example is Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n who thanked= me for fixing his > package, asked me to attach the patch so *he* can send it upstream. I t= hought > that was the *default* policy. Anyway. I should talk to each maintainer > separately when I fix his package. Seems to me is the best approach My two cents. In my opinion, whether a commit is good or not depends on=20 whether it left Gentoo as a whole in better or worse shape than before=20 it was made. Here it sounds like we had QA problems before the commit, and no QA=20 problems after the commit. Maybe the maintainer has some work to do=20 now, but he had it to do anyway, and the maintainers have less work to=20 do now than they did before the patches were made. Now, if he had broken something due to a sloppy commit I'd be more=20 concerned. Many hands make for lighter work. The best way to have many hands is to=20 make individual tasks easier. 1+1+1+1+1 is going to happen faster than=20 3+2, since nobody ever gets around to doing 3. If we give devs an ultimatum like "fix it all or don't fix anything"=20 guess which one they'll pick? Rich