From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OVlKM-0003Sk-HW for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 13:03:14 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2908CE0BDD; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7013CE0B1B for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.3.128] (cpe-74-77-194-18.buffalo.res.rr.com [74.77.194.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2A471B4017 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4C31D805.7010100@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 09:03:01 -0400 From: "Anthony G. Basile" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100627 Shredder/3.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo References: <201007041630.07537.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <20100704133949.0cda055a@gentoo.org> <4C30EA89.4020806@gentoo.org> <4C314233.8030809@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 2f80cac5-192b-4b94-8316-09af165696e0 X-Archives-Hash: 08063c4e65b722bd1c26ef2990402569 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 07/04/10 23:32, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Richard Freeman wrote: >> On 07/04/2010 04:09 PM, Jory A. Pratt wrote: >>> >>> For those of you not on the #gentoo-dev channel, I just announced I am >>> gonna be looking at the openrc code and fixing the bugs and working to >>> continue the development. Anyone that is interested in helping please >>> feel free to contact me off list to discuss how we will handle getting >>> openrc back on track. >>> >> >> Well, openrc isn't any worse than baselayout-1 for upstream support. >> However, I do agree that we should strongly try to standardize on something >> that is more cross-platform if possible. >> >> I'd rather not push to make openrc stable (which means lots of migration for >> users), only to then move to something else anyway. Why have two migrations >> when you can just have one? >> > > The reason why people want to do an openrc migration right now is > because we don't know when we'll find something else to move to; make > it work with gentoo, make it work for everyone, iron out all the bugs, > and push it to stable. In all probability, and looking at our past > experience with pushing openrc to stable, it *will* take years. It's > too much work to maintain both baselayout-1 *and* openrc *and* find > something else to move to. It's best to move to openrc (which has > numerous benefits over baselayout-1, and has a maintainer now), and > then see what we can do. > That's true, but there's also the fact that openrc has merits which make it an attractive choice --- it is not just that we're stuck with it. We've all used other init systems. I like openrc best. Its excellent for servers and compatible with all the goodies people want on desktops. It is one of the features that attracted me to Gentoo. I'm going to be helping Jory and Patrick with this one. If people feel strongly that we need another init system, it would be interesting to have Gentoo compatible with others (although this sounds like quagmire). However, I wouldn't want to see openrc go. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwx2AUACgkQl5yvQNBFVTWmrwCbBdgx7H0KF9ugoO7Rwe9yOJTW 2TwAnRDnABYPAUyT2cH0i4rsyPQ8MsiY =+yG6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----