From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OQ3rq-00081n-8h for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:38:14 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3A0EE0B16; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B31E0AF3 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (e179003172.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.3.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC24E1B40B9 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4C1D1C86.2050204@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:37:42 +0200 From: Sebastian Pipping User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100419 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C1C2A90.1020603@gentoo.org> <4C1C6725.4090109@gentoo.org> <4C1C6D80.3000308@gentoo.org> <20100619185906.72367d63@snowcone> <4C1D12FF.9020001@gentoo.org> <20100619201648.2b88fce7@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <20100619201648.2b88fce7@snowcone> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5f1d4d88-3dbf-4a95-af2b-a026dcd4b89b X-Archives-Hash: 85010a61d2b8415cbca70541de5bdf8c Ciaran, On 06/19/10 21:16, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > No, that's the nice thing about delivering a product based upon > technical merit: most of the time, there are right answers and there > are wrong answers, and careful investigation and good management can > lead to it being determined which is which. I think you neglect differences in values. Say the degree of backwards-compatibility: there's no wrong nor right without values. Both sides have pros and cons. > Collaboration works when good ideas get kept and bad ideas get dropped. > Collaboration fails when good ideas are rejected because people don't > like who came up with them If you had better tone it would be much easier to accept the good among your ideas. > or the tone in which they were presented, or > when bad ideas are kept around to avoid hurting the feelings of the > people who came up with those ideas. Saying "no" politely is hard, not impossible. >>> Personally, I'd like to see Gentoo start having the kinds of people >>> who deliver a better product, not the kinds of people who worry >>> that using a gender-ambiguous cow as a logo might be offensive. >> >> I don't consider that comment respectful. > > But do you consider it to be correct? No, I don't. I have said "technical is not our main problem" many times. Best, Sebastian