From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OQ22f-0004dn-LK for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:41:18 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE34FE081C; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43156E09F0 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw.thefreemanclan.net ([unknown] [96.245.231.248]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L4900JKDVRW41N2@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:40:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (rich.homedns.org [192.168.0.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw.thefreemanclan.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AA351759CB2 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 13:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4C1D011A.3040601@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 13:40:42 -0400 From: Richard Freeman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100421 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C1C2A90.1020603@gentoo.org> <4C1C4B6A.5000306@gentoo.org> <4C1CED28.5020606@gentoo.org> <4C1CF928.10505@gentoo.org> In-reply-to: <4C1CF928.10505@gentoo.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 78aacabf-13fa-4479-92ac-0783f625ed11 X-Archives-Hash: 73e06e7efa34826f40aa8f0b82e4b9c9 On 06/19/2010 01:06 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > On 19-06-2010 16:15, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> #gentoo-infra is a channel on infra matters. >> The fact that it's developers only doesn't make it a private channel i= n >> a sense of "tone doesn't matter". > > you've failed to notice an important point that others have already > tried to convey to you - #gentoo-infra is the home of the Gentoo infra > team. Yes, developers go there to address infra issues on Gentoo, but i= t > is the infra team channel and not the channel of every Gentoo developer= . Perhaps he didn't fail to notice this point, but rather he just=20 disagrees with it? The fact is that #gentoo-infra is part of the Gentoo linux distribution.=20 It belongs to every Gentoo developer, or at least legally to every=20 Gentoo foundation member. Conduct on this channel reflects on all=20 Gentoo developers. It really does bother me that everybody is lining up to defend this kind=20 of behavior. If the response had been - sorry, I guess the joking got=20 out of hand I'd say, ok, well, let's try to do better but let's all move=20 on. I don't see offensive behavior using Gentoo IDs/IRC Cloaks/media as=20 a trivial matter. It sets the overall tone of the distro, which is what=20 this thread is all about. I've heard several devs over the years comment that they love=20 contributing to Gentoo, but they'd never put it on their resume. Who=20 can blame them? I know that if I ever were hiring somebody and they=20 pointed out that they were a Gentoo dev, I'd tend to assume that their=20 technical knowledge was pretty good but you can be assured I'd do quite=20 a bit of digging around to figure out if they're somebody I'd want=20 working on my team. Unless somebody is so good that you'd be fine if they were the only=20 person working for you, then they're not too good to pass over. Rest=20 assured that if you hire and keep certain people, sooner or later they=20 WILL be the only ones working for you... I don't think that most Gentoo devs behave in this way. I think a lot=20 of people care about trying to fix this. I don't think it is asking too=20 much for Gentoo devs to try to keep their behavior reasonably=20 professional when using Gentoo media, or Gentoo emails/cloaks/etc. No need to start burning people at the stake for slip-ups, but let's at=20 least try to agree that we'd like to be associated with a somewhat=20 professional-acting distribution? Rich