From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OPzBk-0005c1-Py for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:38:33 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8313E0802; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB326E0800 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (e179003172.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.3.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAF71B4034 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4C1CD646.2070703@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 16:37:58 +0200 From: Sebastian Pipping User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100419 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C1C2A90.1020603@gentoo.org> <4C1C3768.1070008@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4C1C3768.1070008@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: ac318228-d906-4510-a51d-200b952fba72 X-Archives-Hash: 05b99ad82ed0cb11144ab9d02abd2456 Jorge, On 06/19/10 05:20, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > you're confusing talk and jokes between developers on a particular > private room with tone between members of the global community in public > mediums. It wasn't #gentoo-roughshit, it was in #gentoo-infra - the place devs go on infra matters. To the outside of Gentoo it may be a private channel, to Gentoo itself it is not (or should not be) a private channel. I can expect proper tone from an infra related channel just like from #gentoo-doc. > You're also missing an important point that some channels have their own > environment and so one should start by understanding it. Furthermore, > pushing for change and or imposing one's view on an established channel > is not a "nice" way to deal with the residents of that channel. > Another thing you've just done and should be aware of, is that you chose > to air into the public private conservations. When any Gentoo developer > decides to reveal a private discussion in the core ml or some other > private medium into the general public without the other parties > knowledge and or consent, that developer is abusing the other members' > "trust". If #gentoo-infra bangs their moms the rest of the community deserves to know. I didn't mention names or anything implying specific participants to the outside. > You have shown to be very attached to this topic, so much so that you've > just blown this completely out of proportion. There was no "foul play" > intended in that conservation I was more or less told to fuck off if I don't like the tone. This is where I left the channel. How will I be able to tell women on LinuxTag 2010 that we do want women in Gentoo with such tone in #gentoo-infra? Best, Sebastian