From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OPuQ0-0002lX-Ix for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 09:32:55 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7CB4E08B5; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 09:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from earth.farbfinsternis.net (earth.farbfinsternis.net [87.118.98.117]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9855AE0856 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 09:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.23] (p4FD51437.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.213.20.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by earth.farbfinsternis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AC552878004 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:37:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C1C8EA9.3090308@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:32:25 +0200 From: Matti Bickel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100423 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C1C2A90.1020603@gentoo.org> <4C1C6725.4090109@gentoo.org> <4C1C6D80.3000308@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4C1C6D80.3000308@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB4294EDA6AAC641FE9B050BF" X-Archives-Salt: 7e58a161-a54f-45f6-9f2d-5b2de8d7fea4 X-Archives-Hash: aad7b6cc793251c5ca6f71380bc3640a This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB4294EDA6AAC641FE9B050BF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/19/2010 09:10 AM, "Pawe=C5=82 Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > I think that is the point. Is just not being actively hostile a success= ? Given our past, yes. Given the size of our project, yes. The sheer size of the project guarantees that not everybody will like everyone. They merely get along and no thread will change that fact. Maybe a developer get-together like they happen here in the German conspiracy and elsewhere will, but that's not something you can force-feed others. > Moreover, we don't just want to get along with ourselves. We want to > encourage other people to join our community. I want and will train people who want to scratch their personal (technical) itches in gentoo to become a developer. "Joining the community", otoh, takes as much as a /join #gentoo or logging into the forums. Yes, you can do that just for fun and that's totally fine. If something prevents users from "joining the community" in this way, UserRel should have a look at it. Nothing new here. But all examples of "tone" I've seen in this lengthy thread revolve around developer (particularly infra/devrel) communications. As has been said before, the two should not be confused, as they are different problems and have different solutions. As for the latter problem, Jorge and Patrick have said all there is to say about the issue. > What we should improve, are the human communication skills (including > mine, eh). This is nothing "we" can improve. I can't magically improve anyone's communication skill (and hell, I wish someone could fix mine!). Everyone decides if that's something he or she wants or needs to work on and how. Personally, I've observed that leading by example works best here. So please join me in killing some bugs (gently) today, kthx? --------------enigB4294EDA6AAC641FE9B050BF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwcjq4ACgkQfNMcoUhJ7GzCLgCdEYkd9v3DOsTtKyHKiuzhU67f nZ4AoJyjIekcAmxTGt4Q0wMkDhDOBERs =QutW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB4294EDA6AAC641FE9B050BF--