From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OPUnN-0003nX-6h for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:11:17 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A366E09BC; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E8CE09B9 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxk8 with SMTP id 8so91821yxk.40 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:10:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OkgkLKF0hBEeA86VJBm49UKRufymqISm/SRt3VeFGJc=; b=vYobrESgN5aywRVgpdtpIFAai2VoM1vu6JJsX5DXrXXaXz1U/kaWkR0tKWCn65NK+o 3ah01ypvW6kefyHzo4n4lVnA8xKSUf19HdPAvP4e/aK1L1TWzkfoCNhqBptHnqX54aE+ 2XEkSIOb2jecfTG4DoqLZuHPBXwMH4mVoFhwk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=raktATGYgutv1lvKmW3fLM+KErTAW77qhZgZQObCjUEDHbyl2+YGvxFOLyatjbXY2U W7sIBqj/Ypgxy1ES0sGMAJBEdtPCQtZG8lVlxXPD/R+zbutJ1ewiATz+nAJSkL1oB+HL 66WnKU598yGP3NxIIDx4saEWWwRp/RdHCgWMI= Received: by 10.150.248.3 with SMTP id v3mr486276ybh.82.1276841445829; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (adsl-0-93-68.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.93.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p15sm8542335ybk.37.2010.06.17.23.10.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C1B0DE3.2050005@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:10:43 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100616 Gentoo/2.0.4-r2 SeaMonkey/2.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group References: <4C169D32.5080706@gentoo.org> <20100616084022.2f3c84fe@vrm378-02.vrm378.am.mot.com> <4C18C761.5080909@gentoo.org> <201006180006.53669.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <4C1A9E38.8050206@gmail.com> <20100618014229.GA12490@hrair> In-Reply-To: <20100618014229.GA12490@hrair> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: e3b1e616-cf67-42e8-b2d6-27e997c1e588 X-Archives-Hash: 83ad452906740007ea733acafe2f4a06 Brian Harring wrote: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 05:14:16PM -0500, Dale wrote: > =20 >> Lars Wendler wrote: >> =20 >>> Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010, 14:45:21 schrieb Angelo Arrifano: >>> >>> =20 >>>> On 16-06-2010 14:40, Jim Ramsay wrote: >>>> >>>> =20 >>>>> Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n wr= ote: >>>>> =20 >>>>>> One notable section is 7.6 in which Adobe reserves the right to >>>>>> download and install additional Content Protection software on the >>>>>> user's PC. >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>> Not like anyone will actually *read* the license before adding it t= o >>>>> their accept group, but if they did this would indeed be an importa= nt >>>>> thing of which users should be aware. >>>>> >>>>> =20 >>>> I defend it is our job to warn users about this kind of details. To = me >>>> it sounds that a einfo at post-build phase would do the job, what do= you >>>> guys think? >>>> >>>> =20 >>> Definitely yes! This is a very dangerous snippet in Adobe's license w= hich >>> should be pretty clearly pointed at to every user. >>> >>> >>> =20 >> Could that also include a alternative to adobe? If there is one. >> =20 > The place to advocate free alternatives (or upstreams that are > nonsuck) isn't in einfo messages in ebuilds, it's on folks blogs or at > best in metadata.xml... einfo should be "this is the things to watch > for in using this/setting it up" not "these guys are evil, use one of > the free alternatives!". > > Grok? > > ~harring > =20 I was thinking more along the lines of "the end user license has changed=20 substantially for this package. If you don't accept the changes and want=20 a alternative package, you can look into xyz or wyz." Nothing about=20 being evil, just information. This way the user knows it has changed, they can read it and then if=20 they have problems with it, they can then use something else. I have all=20 licenses accepted in my make.conf, as does another poster in this=20 thread, but I do hope that I would be notified if a package is going to=20 install or otherwise change my system. I'm using Gentoo because I DON'T=20 want things installed that I don't know about. After all, the first line=20 of defense in open source distros is the developers. Just think, would=20 your reaction be different if it explicitly said it was going to install=20 spyware? After all, no one knows what it may install and then do. Some=20 users may decide they don't want to take that chance if they know about=20 it. Right now, they may not even know about it. If I wasn't subscribed=20 here, I wouldn't either. Just my thoughts. Dale :-) :-)