From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OPCJ8-000624-C6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:50 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31852E0BEF; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BFDE0BAE for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.2.10] (bl5-240-231.dsl.telepac.pt [82.154.240.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2394E1B4049 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4C19F859.2010100@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:26:33 +0200 From: Angelo Arrifano Organization: Gentoo Linux Foundation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100419 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C1968D8.9040309@gentoo.org> <4C196D33.5000204@gentoo.org> <20100617105136.0f886c3d@snowcone> <4C19F405.7000504@gentoo.org> <20100617111703.3c3febb1@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <20100617111703.3c3febb1@snowcone> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: cb9d6b8b-323b-4f4e-b5f5-849f4be3bb78 X-Archives-Hash: b4918f2b5243d743c30dfa602eebe05b On 17-06-2010 12:17, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:08:05 +0200 > Angelo Arrifano wrote: I had some text written here. Why did you just remove it like this? Next time, please write some kind of marker "(...)" to tell you did crop some text. >> That choice can be to join the Gentoo community, or leave it. > > The choice can be to use Gentoo, or not use Gentoo. > > If using Gentoo means being required to use bugzilla, the mailing > lists, forums and IRC, then Gentoo has huge scalability problems. I believe using Gentoo means reading the handbook, read forums, bugs and learn from them.. That's what I felt when I read the Gentoo philosophy for the first time. > Providing one on one support takes an awful lot of manpower; the goal > should be to improve the distribution so that most people don't > encounter many bugs and can get all the support they need from the > documentation. Are we trying to make Gentoo some kind of ubuntu? > > Thus things like GLEP 42 news items: they're a way of avoiding having > thousands of users running to get support because they don't know what > to do when a large change happens. If you think the community's the > important part, you'd do the opposite: you'd not provide upfront > instructions, and would instead see big changes as an opportunity to > persuade more users to participate in the community by trying to help > each other. > - Angelo, PS: I'm exceeding my email bulk-reply quotas for today. I don't want to flood the mailing list so I'll step back and leave other people express their opinion.