From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OPC8D-0003jw-AN for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:15:36 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62743E0B94; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1BBE0ADF for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.2.10] (bl5-240-231.dsl.telepac.pt [82.154.240.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770B21B40A5 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4C19F5B2.9060906@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:15:14 +0200 From: Angelo Arrifano Organization: Gentoo Linux Foundation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100419 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C1968D8.9040309@gentoo.org> <4C196D33.5000204@gentoo.org> <20100617105136.0f886c3d@snowcone> <4C19F405.7000504@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4C19F405.7000504@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: bb0b4327-8995-4250-8acb-2bb9d7e5dc60 X-Archives-Hash: f0fe702de8eba91cb7c0087f24c6a488 On 17-06-2010 12:08, Angelo Arrifano wrote: > On 17-06-2010 11:51, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:32:51 +0200 >> Sebastian Pipping wrote: >>> I wouldn't feel to bad if Gentoo is widely recognized as the >>> distribution with the most friendly community around in 2011. >> >> Wouldn't you rather it be recognised as the distribution with the best >> product? >> > > When I read that, the first question that was raised on me was: > - The best product for what, whom? > We can't simply put all possible Gentoo applications and users in one bag. > > Is it really good to think on Gentoo as a product? Can we do like Apple > and treat our users like crap while still making them use our product? > *No!* > Unless we provide locking, GNU/Linux users will always have a choice. > That choice can be to join the Gentoo community, or leave it. > > - Angelo > I apologize for replying to self but I felt we should all remember *what is Gentoo*. Or at least what it used to be.. http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml "What is Gentoo? Gentoo is a free operating system based on either Linux or FreeBSD that can be automatically optimized and customized for just about any application or need. Extreme configurability, performance and a top-notch user and developer community are all hallmarks of the Gentoo experience. (...) *Of course, Gentoo is more than just the software it provides. It is a community built around a distribution* which is driven by more than 300 developers and thousands of users. The distribution project provides the means for the users to enjoy Gentoo: documentation, infrastructure (mailinglists, site, forums ...), release engineering, software porting, quality assurance, security followup, hardening and more. "