From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OP32X-00084m-2j for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:33:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B2A1E08DC; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2044E08C8 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (e179011222.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.11.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336AD1B40B9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4C196D33.5000204@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:32:51 +0200 From: Sebastian Pipping User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100419 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C1968D8.9040309@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4C1968D8.9040309@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 0214f653-679f-4b20-be90-f0cf93e2e5be X-Archives-Hash: 06c69baca98ad1f4e87850e9929c59fc Jorge, On 06/17/10 02:14, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > Sebastian, I understand your concern, but as Alec puts it, we have gone > a long way since the 2007-2008 low regarding this type of behaviour. > I'm not advocating that communication in Gentoo mediums has become > perfect, but I don't see all the rudeness and lack of respect and > empathy that you see, not in a global manner. maybe is has been worse, maybe other projects do worse. I have been to IRC channels of other distros and went away quickly, yes. Still: I use Gentoo for about a year; during that year I have seen many cases. > There are a few cases where people could and should improve their > behaviour, but let's not forget we're a technical community and so it's > imho an illusion to expect us to have a "hugs and kisses" tone. I was expecting someone to bring up "hugs and kisses" as you say. In my impression other technical projects do much better in that regard so it doesn't seem impossible. KDE and Xiph come to my mind: they do better. Our low number of female developers could also be an indicator for the atmosphere in here. I wouldn't feel to bad if Gentoo is widely recognized as the distribution with the most friendly community around in 2011. Best, Sebastian